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In the Deckard Cain Meta Tier List made by @Oxygen, @MagikMurlok asked if someone could compile a list of Heroes that have strong self-sustain that can be viable in matches that features no Supports. I decided to help.
I ended making a list of all non-Support Heroes that have any form of self-healing. Took me around 6 hours to compile every single nook and cranny (with all the revisions and edits), so here it is! I hope this help. Any feedback is welcome.
I've also included a suggested build for each character to use in the event that there is no Support in the team, aimed at maximizing survivability.
Special thanks to @ExorionAether for the help with talents and Heroes I missed, forgot or did not include originally for other reasons.
Alarak (suggested build) Lightning Surge provides a decent sustain, which becomes even stronger with the talent Sustaining Power (1) and Lightning Barrage (16), with the latter allowing Alarak to cast two Lightning Surges in succession, thus doubling its effects. Cassia (suggested build) Ring of the Leech (4) provides passive self-healing to Cassia when dealing damage to any opponents inflicted with Blind. Any talent that increases Cassia's damage in general will increase the healing gained from this talent. Plate of the Whale (4) provides extra passive life regeneration, as well increasing her maximum health once completed. Falstad (suggested build) Has access to the Hammer Gains (4) talent, meaning that any additional talents or buffs that increase his Attack Speed and Basic Attack Damage will increase this talent's performance. Fenix (suggested build) Fenix is an exception to this list, because while he doesn't feature any talents that replenish his life, his passive Shields from Shield Capacitor pretty much adds an extra layer of sustain. To avoid confusion, I will not be listing similar talents for non-Support Heroes that have access to shielding (Johanna, Zarya, etc.) Rapid Recharge (13) and Auxiliary Shields (13) can both be counted as a form of improved sustain, as they aid in replenishing his Shields Unconquered Spirit grants him a massive boost of shields. Gul'dan (suggested build) Has excellent self-sustain with Drain Life, which is part of his core gameplay interacting with his ability to sap his life to restore mana through Life Tap. Has access to talents such as Consume Soul (4) Healthstone (16) which provides extra self-sustain aside from Drain Life. The Drain Life can be picked to increase its performance, but they often have compete with better talents, so I wouldn't recommend them. However they can work really well in a non-Support composition that features a solid frontline. Illidan (suggested physical build; suggested ability build) Betrayer's Thirst provides mindless sustain, as you just have hit stuff to get heals. Has access to talents like Thirsting Blade (7) and Hunter's Onslaught (7) which further improves his self-healing. Talents that increase the damage of Illidan's Ability Damage will increase the healing from Hunter's Onslaught, such as Marked for Death (16) Any talents or buffs that increase his Attack Speed and/or his Basic Attack Damage will improve the performance of Betrayer's Thirst, such as Unending Hatred (1). Kael'thas (suggested build) Fel Infusion (1) heals Kael'thas when activating Verdant Spheres. Not much healing, but hey, it's something! Kel'Thuzad (suggested build) Phylactery of Kel'Thuzad (4) provides passive heal to all his Ability Damage once it's completed. Not much, but it helps. Kerrigan (suggested build) Siphoning Impact (1) rewards precise Ravage kills with heals. Assimilation Mastery (7) provides extra passive health regeneration. Li-Ming (suggested build) Dominance (4) heals Li-Ming whenever a nearby enemy Hero is killed, meaning Li-Ming doesn't have to necessarily land the killing blow to enjoy the self-healing. Lunara (suggested build) Siphoning Toxin (4) provides healing as long the enemy has a stack of Nature's Toxin. Malthael (suggested build) Fantastic self-sustain through Soul Rip as long enemies are affected by Reaper's Mark (which is not hard to do since his Basic Attacks cleave to inflict opponents with this debuff) Soul Collector (13) further improve its healing. Angel of Death (20) provides a powerful healing effect to Last Rites. Ragnaros (suggested build) Empower Sulfuras is a powerful area heal as long you hit as many enemies as possible. This becomes even stronger by taking related talents, such as Sulfuras Hungers (1) and Cauterize Wounds (13). Catching Fire (4) provides extra passive life regeneration. Submerge (20) puts Ragnaros in stasis and heals him. Raynor (suggested build) Adrenaline Rush provides Raynor with a reliable self-sustain that automatically activates once he reaches critical health. This effect can be further improved by Give Me More! (1), as well manually activate it with Fight or Flight (7). Has access to the Vigorous Assault (4) talent, meaning that any additional talents or buffs that increase his Attack Speed and Basic Attack Damage will increase this talent's performance. The Butcher (suggested build) Butcher's Brand provides a fantastic self-sustain, as long you can hit the Basic Attacks, and its healing becomes stronger the more meat he has. In addition, talents that further increase his Basic Attack and Attack Speed, such as Brutal Strike (13), Blood Frenzy (16), Enraged (16) and Nexus Blades (20), will result in a stronger / faster health-per-hit to branded enemies. Victuals (7) provides a passive heal which is great in maps focused on waveclear, such as Tomb of the Spider Queen. It should be noted that it doesn't work with summoned minions or special minions such as the Zerg Wave from Braxis Holdout. Thrall (suggested build) Frostwolf Resilience provides a strong self-sustain as long Thrall hits opponents with abilities. Just don't spam because Thrall is one of those Heroes that goes mana hungry very very fast. Talents that improve his generation of Frostwolf Resilience stacks include Feral Resilience (4), Grace Of Air (13), Tempest Fury (16) and Wind Rush (20). Frostwolf's Grace (13) provides an extra healing cooldown. Rolling Thunder (1) provides additional sustain by allowing Thrall to heal through Basic Attacks after using Chain Lightning. Ancestral Wrath (7) is a bit of a complex talent as you have to keep track of your Frostwolf Resilience stacks, but provide an instant targeted damage which heals, which is great. Tracer (suggested build) Is That a Health Pack?! (4) increases the healing from Regeneration Globes and Healing Fountains. Has access to the Leeching Rounds (13) talent, meaning that any additional talents or buffs that increase her Attack Speed and Basic Attack Damage will increase this talent's performance. Total Recall (20) essentially heals Tracer as it "undoes" the damage she took when using Recall. This effect can be further improved by Slipstream (20). Tychus (suggested build) Has access to the That's the Stuff! (13) talent, meaning that any additional talents or buffs that increase his Attack Speed will increase this talent's performance, such as In the Rhythm (4). Valla (suggested physical build; suggested ability build) Has access to the Tempered by Discipline (13) talent, meaning that any additional talents or buffs that increase her Attack Speed and Basic Attack Damage will increase this talent's performance. The downside is that she needs to be at maximum stacks of Hatred to gain this effect. Siphoning Arrow (13) provides a life-leech effect to Hungering Arrow. Zeratul (suggested physical build; suggested ability build) Has access to the Mending Strikes (13) talent, meaning that any additional talents or buffs that increase his Attack Speed and Basic Attack Damage will increase this talent's performance. Shadow Mending (20) heals Zeratul when he deals ability damage. Any additional talents or buffs that increase his Ability Damage will improve this talent's performance. Zul'jin (suggested physical build; suggested ability build) Regeneration restore health, but any damage will interrupt it, unless you pick Forest Medicine (20). Troll's Blood (4) further improve its healing. Amani Resilience and Buzzsaw, both level 20 talents, provides healing effects to Taz'dingo! and Guillotine, respectively.
Anub'arak (suggested build; suggested scarab build) Regeneration Master (1) provides extra passive life regeneration, as well increased health once completed. Decent life-leech with Locust Swarm, with Hive Master (20) providing a passive life-leech effect. Leeching Scarabs (7) provides self-healing as long his Scarabs deal damage. There is an entire build dedicated to that talent, but it's pretty shitty now (used to be very OP before his rework). Arthas (suggested physical build; suggested ability build) Death Coil can be used on Arthas to heal himself. Immortal Coil (7) and Embrace Death further increase its self-healing performance. Army of the Dead provides a reliable self-heal by sacrificing Ghouls, which becomes further stronger with Legion of Northrend (20). Rune Tap provides a passive life-leech, which can become quite strong when combined with Icy Talons (4). Anti-Magic Shell (20) heals Arthas for a small ammount of the damage absorbed. Blaze (suggested build) Oil Spill + Flame Stream provides with one of the strongest self-sustains in the game. Grill and Kill (7) further increase its effects by extending the duration once completed. Heat Treatment (16) is surprisingly strong, specially since it Pyromania provides armor, and the heals are gained when hitting any type of enemy (including minions). Chen (suggested build) Freshest Ingredients (1) provides passive extra life regeneration. Brewmaster's Balance (7) provides passive extra life regeneration as long Chen has 50 Brew or more. Stormstout Secret Recipe provides passive life-leech whenever Chen deals damage with his Basic Abilities. Cho (suggested build; suggested Gall build) Consuming Blaze provides a fantastic self-sustain, with two related talents at level 1 that provide strong effects, being Consuming Fire and Fuel for the Flame. Surging Dash (16) heals Cho'gall as long Surging Fist is being channelled. Dehaka (suggested build) Absurdly strong self-sustain through Essence Collection and Adaptation. Tissue Regeneration (1) provides more essence, which translates in more healing. It also adds passive extra life regeneration. One-Who-Collects (4) and Hero Stalker (4) both provide additional means of getting essence, therefore allowing Dehaka to self-sustain himself faster. Essence Claws (20) provides additional essence as long Dehaka Basic Attacks Heroes. Buffs that increases his Attack Speed further improve his essence gathering. Change Is Survival (20) further boosts the healing from Adaptation. Diablo (suggested physical build; suggested ability build) Diablo by default has a powerful self-sustain as his health progressively increases as he gathers souls for Black Soulstone. After his rework, Diablo has gained a very strong self-sustain, with Fire Stomp now being a skillshot and healing per enemy hit, with more healing when the flames come back at Diablo. Souls to the Flame (4) increases the healing effect, while Hellfire increases spellpower per enemy hit (which translates in more healing). Life Leech (4) provides passive healing as long Diablo Basic Attacks an enemy Hero. This can be further improved through Cruelty (13), which increases his attack speed, translating in more heal-per-hit. Feast on Fear (1) heals Diablo whenever he stuns opponents with Shadow Charge or Overpower. Devil's Due (1) provides Diablo with one of the strongest self-healings in the game. Since Regeneration Globes become neutral after 3 seconds and can be claimed by either team, this essentially doubles his self-sustain (including mana regeneration). Lord of Terror siphons the life of nearby Heroes, which can heal Diablo for a lot if he is surrounded by enemies. ETC (suggested physical build; suggested ability build) Guitar Solo is a reliable self-sustain ability on low cooldown. Can be further improved by Guitar Hero (1) and Prog Rock (1). Hammer-on (7) has good synergy with Guitar Hero. Garrosh (suggested build) Bloodthirst provides Garrosh with a very strong self-sustain, specially when combined with his natural resilience from Armor Up. In For the Kill (4) provides Garrosh with lots of sustain in the laning phase and while killing minions because of the resets and mana refund. This can be further improved by Bloodcraze (13). Johanna (suggested build) Laws of Hope provides an Active Ability that can save Johanna from some nasty situations. Holy Renewal can heal for quite a lot if Johanna manages to hit 3 Heroes or more. Leoric (suggested physical build; suggested ability build) Very strong self-healing through Drain Hope, specially against opponents with low movement options. This healing can be further improved through Willing Vessel (7). March of the Black King heals Leoric per Hero hit. Ossein Renewal (1) provides an Active Ability similarly to Johanna Laws of Hope, but on a higher cooldown (however this can recharge faster by picking Regeneration Globes). Consume Vitality (1) heals Leoric whenever he hits Heroes with Skeletal Swing. Fealty Unto Death (1) passively heals Leoric whenever minions die nearby him (either friendly or enemy). Spectral Leech (20) provides passive healing as long Leoric Basic Attacks an enemy Hero. This can be further improved by Mithril Mace (16), specially once completed. Muradin (suggested build) Very powerful out of combat healing thanks to Second Wind. This can be further improved through Third Wind (1) and Stoneform (16), with the later allowing Muradin to activate his trait to gain healing effects in-battle. Avatar, in a sense, can be considered a healing ability as it increases Muradin maximum health for a limited time. Healing Static (13) provides a healing effect to Thunder Clap as long it hits Heroes. Rexxar (suggested build) Hungry Bear (4) provides life-leech to Misha. Hunter-Gatherer (4) provides extra passive life regeneration to Rexxar. Animal Husbandry (4) essentially allows Rexxar and Misha to reach infinite health points as long Rexxar remains alive. Spirit Bond (20) provides Bestial Wrath with a life-leeching effect where Misha's Basic Attacks heals Rexxar. Sonya (suggested physical build; suggested ability build) Very strong self-sustain through Whirlwind. This can be further improved by Life Funnel (7) and Wrath of the Berserker (as more damage equals to more healing). Has access to the War Paint (1) talent, meaning that any additional talents or buffs that increase her Attack Speed and Basic Attack Damage will increase this talent's performance. Battle Rage (7) provides an Active Ability that heals Sonya. Stitches (suggested build) Devour is a very powerful self-sustain ability. Can be improved by Chew Your Food (1). Hungry for More increases Stitches' maximum health, therefore increasing the healing from Devour. Amplified Healing (4) increases all healing Stitches recieves, with includes Devour. Restorative Fumes (4) causes Vile Gas to heal Stitches. Cannibalize (20) provides passive healing as long Stitches Basic Attacks an enemy Hero. This effect becomes even stronger with Hungry for More, as more health equals to more healing. Tyrael (suggested build) Ardent Restoration (1) provides Tyrael with passive healing as long he deals any form of damage to enemy Heroes. Divine Vigor (4) allows Tyrael's Basic Attacks to heal him after he hits enemies with Smite. It synergises well with Purge Evil (7), Smite the Wicked (16) and Seal of El'Druin (20), as they all improve Tyrael's Basic Attacks, therefore increasing the healing gained. Varian (suggested Protection build; suggested Arms build; suggested Fury build) Lion's Fang naturally heals Varian whenever he hits any opponent (including minions). Can be further improved by Lionheart (7). Second Wind (7) and Victory Rush (7) both provide passive healing as long Varian Basic Attacks anything, with the latter healing for a huge amount, but having a cooldown. Second Wind is improved by High King's Quest (1) and all of Varian's passive effects of his Heroic Abilities. Glory to the Alliance (20) causes banners to increase all healing effects, which includes all the aforementioned talents and abilities above that provide Varian with self-healing. Yrel Vindication deals damage and heals Yrel in return. Light of Kaldor (1) increases Vindication radius, as well bonus healing per enemy Hero hit. Ardent Defender heals Yrel for half of the damage absorbed. Word of Glory (20) causes Ardent Defender to heal all nearby allies for the damage Yrel absorbed. Maarad's Insight (1) causes Yrel's next Basic Attack to heal whenever she uses a Basic Ability. Gift of the Naaru (4) causes Divine Purpose to heal an ally nearby Yrel.
Abathur (suggested build) Abathur is an exception to this list as he cannot self heal with his related talents below, since he cannot use Symbiote on himself. Regenerative Microbes (1) causes the Symbiote's Carapace to heal the host. Soma Transference (13) causes the Symbiote's Spike Burst to heal the host when hitting enemy Heroes. Azmodan (suggested build) Gluttony (4) causes All Shall Burn to heal while channeled. Can be further improved by Infused Power (13), as more damage equals to more healing. Sin for Sin (16) is an Active Ability that deals instant damage and heals Azmodan. Gazlowe (suggested build) Goblin Repairs (1) provides extra passive life regeneration. Medivh (suggested build) Force of Will heals damage absorbed. This can be further improved by Circle of Protection (13) or Reabsorption (13). Raven's Intellect (1) provides extra passive life regeneration. Murky (suggested build) Rejuvenating Bubble (13) heals Murky whenever he uses Safety Bubble. This can be further improved by Big Tuna Kahuna as more health equals to more healing. Nazeebo (suggested build) Hexed Crawlers (4) causes Corpse Spiders to heal Nazeebo. Blood Ritual (4) heal Nazeebo whenever he gains stacks of Voodoo Ritual. Both talents above scale progressively as Nazeebo gains more stacks of Voodoo Ritual. Sgt. Hammer (suggested build) Has access to the Regenerative Bio-Steel (4) talent, meaning that any additional talents or buffs that increase her Attack Speed and Basic Attack Damage will increase this talent's performance while in Siege Mode. Sylvanas (suggested build) Life Drain (13) causes Shadow Dagger to heal Sylvanas each time it spreads to an enemy. The Lost Vikings (suggested build) Has access to the Pain Don't Hurt (4) talent, meaning that any additional talents or buffs that increase Baleog Attack Speed and Basic Attack Damage will increase this talent's performance. Erik the Swift heals Erik as long he is moving. Play Again! fully heals the Vikings. Xul (suggested physical build; suggested Skeleton build) Harvest Vitality (7) causes Cursed Strikes to heal Xul whener it hits enemy Heroes. This can be further improved through Grim Scythe (4) and Rapid Harvest (13) or Executioner (13). Trag'Oul's Essence (7) causes Skeleton Warriors to heal Xul whenever they deal damage. Andariel's Visage (20) causes Poison Nova to heal Xul for half the damage dealt. Zagara (suggested build) Nydus Network heals Zagara as long she is inside it. Hydralisk Transfusion (13) heals Zagara as long Hunter Killer deals damage to enemy Heroes. This talent does NOT benefit from Corrosive Saliva (16) bonus damage or the bouncing attacks from Mutalisk (16).
TOP 10 BEST PUBSTOMPERS WITHOUT SUPPORT AID
Fenix: as long his Shield doesn't drop completely, he has one of the most powerful lane presences in the game, essentially having two healthbars. And if losing his Shields he can simply retreat and let them replenish again. Just be careful with hard engages, stuns and damage-over-time (as each tick will put Shield Capacitor on cooldown). Malthael: ridiculous sustain that allows him to 1v2 or even 1v3 under the right circumstances. Make sure to hit as many opponents as possible with Basic Attacks to maximize his sustain. Dehaka: incredibly sticky and slippery, with a global presence that allows him to engage and disengage at ease. His trait combined with Adaptation makes him really hard to kill. Blaze: powerful lane presence and one of the best self-sustains in the entire game. Diablo: his recent rework made him absurdly resilient, with a self-sustain that can surpass Blaze's under the right circumstances. Sonya: still one of the strongest solo laners in the game, with reliable self-sustain, great damage overall, and strong engage potential. The Butcher: with a high risk, high reward gameplay style, he can become unkillable, but requires a really strong frontline to keep him well protected, as well at least one backline Hero that can harass enemies at long range. Medivh: a Support labelled as a Specialist. With a very versatile kit, he can provide damage, mobility, vision, crowd-control and most importantly, damage immunity and healing. ANY team without a Support greatly benefits from Medivh. Thrall: very strong on really long matches, as his most powerful quest talents require a lot of farming. At the endgame he deal eye-watering damage while healing for huge chunks of health. Illidan: with his passive healing, he is a no-brainer. He can easily harass the backline and disengage, forcing the enemy team to waste cooldowns and allow the allied team to retaliate.
THE TOP 5 BEST SELF-SUSTAIN TEAM COMBINATIONS
Disclaimer: very team here will feature Medivh. He is essentially a Support classified as a Specialist. Adding him almost feels like cheating. But everyone knows that Medivh Cheats!!!
Stitches, Sonya, Kel'Thuzad, Kael'thas, Medivh. Garrosh, Stitches, The Butcher, Kel'Thuzad, Medivh. ETC, Blaze, Fenix, Kel'Thuzad, Medivh. Johanna, Cassia, Raynor, Fenix, Medivh. Johanna, Blaze, Sgt. Hammer, Li-Ming, Medivh.
Anybody can help with this? I'm using simcraft to get the stat priority for my MM's gear but it is giving me crazy results, not sure why. Agility=83.13, Ap=80.24, CritRating=0.83, HasteRating=46.84, MasteryRating=1.04, Versatility=217.72, Dps=297.72
According to stat priority lists, such as the icy veins one, mastery should be the predominant stat. Now I understand that it can change depending on gear and other things, but this much???
I've attached a screenshot wit the settings in simcraft, in case it helps.
Can anybody tell me what I'm doing wrong? Sorry if it's a noob question.
i have a dps monk and i noticed the greyed out stat when i was lvling my monk up and because i am a returning player i have no idea what it is and i noticed it swaps with agility when u change ur spec to mistwalker and my question is, can i use my current gear to heal or not?
So I’ve read the Icy Veins Sin Rogue PvP Guide that suggests Cheapshot > Garrote > Mutilate > Rupture as an opener. It works very well, but I’m wondering if I should use another opening rotation with MotMA (gives 100% crit chance for 5 sec after exiting stealth mode)? I know that legendaries aren’t active in arenas, but I was thinking in wpvp/duels.
I, like many others, are trying to maximize DPS for their respective classes, mine in particular being ret paladin.
In general, it seems like there are several sources of information for dps for each class.
Icy Veins Mr Robot Raidbots (Simulation Craft) Warcraft Logs Each with its own set of criteria as to what determines high dps. And I find inconsistency when bouncing between the different sources. I want to understand what am I missing when it comes to each. I will lay out what I currently understand, and would like some feedback as to what I may not be considering in each as well as some advice as to what other options I could be exploring (resources) to further the insight into whats applicable for my current state.
For Icy Veins, in particular, the stat weights, are mostly vaguely determined. From the ret guide:
If I am reading this right, its Mastery >= Haste > Ver >= Crit = Str
I use the addOn and I subscribe for the Best In Bags function. When I plug in my information in, the site recommends that I go with my 2pce t20 and balance around my legendaries with a focus on haste pieces (haste gems are emphasized).
Stat weights as listed in MrRobot:
MrRobot Stat Weights
From what I am seeing, Crit is most emphasized, and the one crit gem + ring crit enchants were originally recommended by MrRobot here. Also another notable thing here is haste being way behind crit's potential.
For RaidBots, I use the addOn, and play around with various items I hoard, and use the stat weights functions. Generally the feedback I get here are to stick with the current gem setup and with regards to stat weights, emphasize at my current setup with crit. It also says I should drop some of my high ilvl pieces (935 head, and 960 chest) for 4pce (915 head, lfr 890 chest)
Vers -> crit -> mastery -> haste -> str
I mostly use Warcraft Logs to check what the top dps players (ret pallys) are hitting and what setups are they running. I don't want to specifically link player armories in here, but upon some investigation, you'll find most are just stacking haste
I understand stat weights are relative, however it seems like everyone has different priorities, one says mastery, another vers, another crit, another haste?
Help me understand.