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Curious to get anyone's input on this potential (large) gear change. Sim puts option #2 about 45k ahead, but I stopped trusting simcraft awhile ago. That said:
Option 1: 4pc w/gloves (lame), impossible choice bracers, shoulder/feet legos - pretty much my standard set, seems to work fine if unspectacularly. Sims at ~470k
Option 2: 4 pc w/shoulders, gloves swapped to 895 socketed synchronous, bracer/foot legos - sims around 510k. ~901 ilvl, around 155-160% mastery when using convergence.
Really just curious to get some opinions - whatcha got?
EDIT - for clarity, this would be a swap in my normal day to day loadout. Specific fights/swaps notwithstanding.
I think simcraft doesn't have appropriate preset for qapla and aspect of beast talent.
how can i find the preset for qapla and aspect of beast talent??
(I don't know exact word for preset. I mean sth like this
# Executed before combat begins. Accepts non-harmful actions only.
# Snapshot raid buffed stats before combat begins and pre-potting is done.
# Executed every time the actor is available.
this was in mmo but i don't think this works appropriate cause when i used this DPS dropped about 20k.
but when i used aspect of beast in-game DPS difference was not that much)
Hello ! I have played 100% crusader exclusively in S8 and came up with this build. It has matured enough to be released online. I have done some small internal with my clan mates and everything worked fine. In case you would like to want a PDF with guide, please check the links below. One should give you PDF in the browser, the second one is a downloadable version. I have included everything (8 pages long text) here too. Hope you like it. I have been unlucky with posting it on reddit. Thanks for reading and commenting !
Suppadin v 2.2 – written for 2.4.3 (S9-ready)
Author – RadTang (RadTang#2819)
Minor REVision of 2.1. Updated again. Release available publicly. Please don’t change anything and report all in Reddit threads. All the (P)’s and ©’s are belong to RadTang (RadTang#2819)
Hello, it’s RadTang ! Season 8 has just finished and it was my first real season in my D3 history. Played one char (Helltooth Garg WD) in S7 softcore but haven’t gone very far. Haven’t earned even a stash tab. In S8 I have switched to hardcore – with some successes and failures. Ripped a few chars, mostly invokers and hammerdins but only one stayed alive – the one, the only, the best, the undefeatable LoN Bomber ! She pushed up to GR 77 solo (115th place in HC Crus leaderboards). Nearly ripped her in GR 78 though. Anyway, this paper is about my vision of support crusader build. I have nicknamed it “suppadin” (support paladin – sounds a bit like D2 auradin) and “CruZader” (zDPS crus). It’s just a loose idea and I don’t even have gear for it to test it in current non-season. Any comments and corrections (and fixes for the upcoming 2.4.3) are warmly welcome.
This support crus idea was tested a bit on some GR 80s. Seems to be viable. Clan tests in 2, 3, 4 man were positive. I don’t remember if I were running my zDPS through 85s. Been in 91 (noticeably harder) but we had to exit because a mate died. And we’re a real men with cojones big as our paragon lvl numbers so we play HC nearly exclusively. :P
Been in GR 80 in 4 men and got even into a NS Leaderboards – 301th place (03.01.2017). That’s a little proof.
Suppadin is not focused on dealing shitload of damages like LoN Bomber. He’s totally opposite of it. Any items for him are “just stat sticks” providing stat bonuses + required legendary passives. So what you could expect from a suppadin? Some Crowd Control (later abbreviated as CC), some tankyness (decent Toughness), decent mobility. He probably won’t be as good support as monk (those 3 auras / mantras at once are cool to have !) but I hope he will find some spot in various 4 man team compositions.
Testing with various skills setups and whatnot has proven the zDPS crus as nice healer. He has a very little input to team DPS due to 20% bonus coming from Shield Glare skill + rune. Due to decent mobility, he can scout a lot.
My current, successful setup omits Condemn. This means that zDPS crus totally lacks any pulling & grouping capabilities.
I would like to underline that even with very imperfect gear and no augments my zDPS crus supports quite well in GR80. My current setup doesn’t use any augments and I don’t even have whole ancient Akkhan set. And he feels even better with 1-2 other supports. ;)
To sum it all up I would say just thing: MOSTLY HEALER. ;) I doubt if he replace the monk or really shake the meta but maybe zDPS crus could be proven as viable alternative as healer.
You need to have elective mode set in Diablo 3’s options. Also, any keybindings here are just my preferences. You are free to set it otherwise. Testing proved the earlier combination wrong. I also thought that it’s possible to have Condemn assigned to the left mouse button.
Left Mouse Button: Slash with Guard rune. Your only regular attack. You won’t spend any Wrath and will deal next-to-no damage, even with Akkhan’s 6pc bonus but it’s all about the extra armor coming from Guard rune. Take care of yourself too. ;) Seems to be the only viable option.
Right Mouse Button: Steed Charge, preferably with Endurance. Endurance is preferred due to duration bonus (and thus extension of your scouting abilities). If you happen to have Swiftmount in cube and wear The Final Witness shield, you can put Swiftmount in the cube. Noticeably improves your mobility.
1: Shield Glare with Divine Verdict. Apply it every now and then. This will give a nice 20% dmg increase for the DPS so you actually help team in more than just one way (the healing).
2: Consecration with Bathed In Light rune. Your healing skill. Enhanced to heal even deeper and more painful wounds ! If no-rune Consecration = Healing, then Consecration paired with Bathed In Light rune is Healing2. ;)
3: Law of Justice / Hope / Valor: I personally prefer Jusitice. It’s a great passive Toughness increase for the whole team. I believe it stacks with similar buff to the whole team. There’s a lot of viable runes here. I would personally take Immovable Object if your DPS is squishy. With great CDR, there’s only a very short, about 1 second long, window without active form. Every active form of this Law gives you and your team more resists. Another good option is Bravery – CC immunity. Last but not least – Decaying Strength but I haven’t tested this. Used Bravery and switched to Immovable Object upon asking the DPS guy.
Remember – before starting the GR, ask the team about their needs. Laws offer nice adjustment to your team needs and allow you to fulfill their wishes.
Alternatively you can take here: Law of Hope + runes: there’s much less choice of viable runes. Either Promise of Faith (25% non-physical dmg reduction) or Hopeful Cry (25% dmg reduction for physical dmg only). Selection depends on team composition – more range-based team might prefer Promise of Faith as they won’t go into melee combat. Ask before starting the run. For speedrunning with decent team members’ Toughness, I would try Wings of Angels for greater movement speed to move between Elite packs much quicker.
There’s a third Law – Law of Valor, probably the least used one. It grants some buff to teams attack speed. Possible runes with some viability are: NONE. Thought that team might gain some CHD but it’s only a personal buff. You might use it on some speedrunning build though.
So, from Laws – Justice (preferred one) or Hope. If you happen to play with another Crusader, be sure to ask him about his Law + rune to not waste it (effects won’t stack). If he runs Justice – switch to Hope.
4: Akarat’s Champion with Prophet rune. A no-brainer pick. This buffs your personal Toughness a lot. Also, it benefits from Akkhan’s set. AC is a staple skill of any Crusader build. Kinda god mode cheat for the sader.
Last but not least – passives ! There are few mandatory ones: Fervor (more CDR – we will use 1h weapon anyway – more on it later) and Indestructible (your cheat death passive) and Long Arm of the Law (longer active, empowered Law of your choice). The last one can be: Lord Commander (more horsepower for you :P ) / Towering Shield (shortens cooldown for your Shield Glare) / Hold Your Ground (more block %) / Vigilant. If you want to wear Hellfire Amulet, choose one of these for the 4th slot. I have decent one with Long Arm Of The Law (and empowered Law’s CD nicely fit the enhanced duration so I have about a 99% uptime of empowered Law, same is with my AC too, by the way). I have got a Hellfire Amulet with Long Arm so I switched it for Towering Shield.
My current passive setup is: Fervor, Indestructible, Towering Shield, Hold Your Ground, Long Arm Of The Law (Hellfire Amulet). Seems to work well so far.
The most important things are: Armor of Akkhan set and it’s 4 pc bonus (reduces cooldown of Akarat’s Champion by 50%). You can use 6pc bonus partially as it provides you 15% damage reduction during Akarat’s Champion. Also, you need the recommended Flail and Shield. And Illusory Boots do change the game. Really.
As we need Akkhan’s 4 / 6 and we don’t need to deal serious DPS, we can use the benefits of Ring of Royal Grandeur and reduce the required elements to 3 / 5 (to get 4 pc and 6 pc bonus respectively). This frees at least 1 slot for some other gear – you need only the 4pc bonus (Akarat’s Champion cooldown reduction) but having the 6pc bonus (the received DMG reduction during AC) is tempting and certainly useful.
From what I have learned and tested so far, you don’t have to have all ancients, and decently augmented to be able to support well in GR 80s, maybe 85-90. I have 0 augments and some ancients. My crus has 900 paragon levels acquired so far. Low but S8 was my first season in HC. Don’t take it for granted though. Your results and mileage may vary. Had successes both in 2 men (DPS + support) and 4 men or 3 men setup.
My current gear setup + cube is here: http://www.d3planner.com/719993919 (it’s a public profile, idk what it means)
Little side note: 2.4.3 brings Akkhan’s amulet so Akkhan set will consist of 7 parts. If you’re out of luck with your Hellfire Amulet (best option for amulet for this build), try Akkhan. As far as I remember, it will be always rolled with CHC so it will be your best bet for rerolling it into CDR. You might try the Ess of Johann too if you want to try some pulling but this haven’t been tested. Sshame.
Akkhan’s ammy will allow you to resign from Akkhan’s helm in favour of Leoric’s Crown to boost your CDR with a Diamond. Well-rolled Leoric’s Crown should have 80%+ passive bonus but don’t be afraid of using any lower one. I’ve added a Crown to my D3 planner for simulation – with the gear I have (focused to gather best possible CDR rolls), you need 82%+ Leoric’s Crown to pass the 70% CDR mark. 100% uptime for ALL of used skills. Any % more won’t make major difference. Even with 100%-rolled LC, your gain is marginal. Save the 100% one for other character. Or as a spare in case of your sshameful RIP.
On yourself (not in order of best-worst):
· Head: Leoric’s Crown / The Helm of Rule (crafted; for the % block if you want to block a lot to proc Salvation’ bounty shield passive)) / Helm of Akkhan;
· Torso: Tyrael’s Might (guaranteed all res) / Breastplate of Akkhan (always has 3 sockets !). Well-rolled Akkhan’s armor seems to be the best bet. Aquila is also good – then you can wear either Ice Climbers or Illusory Boots and put the other boots in the cube;
· Belt: Vigilante Belt (for guaranteed Cooldown Reduction – CDR) / Belt Of The Trove (guaranteed all res & melee dmg reduction);
· Trousers (Legs): Cuisses of Akkhan (2 guaranteed sockets) / Skelon’s Deceit (crafted, if you don’t want Akkhan’s)
· Boots: Illusory Boots / Ice Climbers / Board Walkers (crafted – worst possible option) / Akkhan’s boots (good option). Try to put here Illusory or the Climbers. They will offer you more value than Akkhan’s. If you wear Illusory Boots, then you can wear in cube Aquila Curaiss for the sweet dmg reduction.
· Pauldrons: Akkhan’s (guaranteed all resists !) / Death Watch Mantle. Akkhan’s are definitely the best possible option here;
· Bracers: Krelms (due to passive bonus – best option) / Nemesis (ask team) / Kethryes’ Splint. Nemesis are ok, could be mandatory. At least I was asked to wear them.
· Hands: Akkhan’s. No choice except Gloves of Worship in Nephalem rifts to speed them up. If you don’t need the speed bonus from shrines to be efficient – stay with the Akkhan’s here.
· Weapon: Unviolable Faith (awesome option for Suppadin – the best one !) / Swiftmount (moar horsie !!1). I have resigned from Salvation and put Swiftmount into cube. You might wear Swiftmount and have Unviolable Faith in the cube. You don’t need any damage here so it’s wise to reroll the dmg stats (except +STR which gives you armor but reroll stuff like +attack speed or +X – Y elemental damage). Ramaladni’s Gift – if you want to have Gem of Ease here then use it.
· Shield: Coven’s Criterion (guaranteed % block) / Storm Shield / Salvation (best option, also spawns with guaranteed % block) / The Final Witness (cool passive) / Akarat’s Awakening. IMHO best are: The Final Witness and Salvation or Akarat’s in cube. Use Unviolable Faith then if you want to wear shield in cube;
· Ammy: The Traveler’s Pledge (take ring from this set to use some extra dmg reduction) / if not – Hellfire Amulet or The Flavor of Time (guaranteed cooldown reduction)
· Ring #1 & #2: Justice Lantern (for % block, if you want to have Salvation to proc the bonus more often) and Oculus Ring (mandatory on supports). Ring of Royal Grandeur is mandatory too but in cube only. If you have low % roll on legendary bonus on Oculus, it seems wise to cube it for max % bonus and use your RoRG paired with Justice Lantern.
· Best setup: Akkhan (possibly with CDR roll; head) or Leoric’s Crown (head) / Akkhan (torso armor) / Vigilante or Trove (belt, your choice depends on your needs) / Akkhan (legs) / Illusory Boots (feet) / Akkhan (pauldrons) / Krelm’s (bracers) / Akkhan’s (hands) / Unviolable Faith (weapon) / Final Witness (shield) / Traveler’s Pledge OR Hellfire Amulet Or Flavor of Time (ammy, your choice) / Compass Rose + Justice Lantern OR Justice Lantern + Obsidian Ring (rings)
· Best setup notes: If you take Akkhan’s helm instead of Leoric’s Crown, you will unlock 3rd Akkhan’s set bonus with your RoRG in cube. Lack of Crown’s passive can be overcame by CDR & socket on the helmet. CDR is important – horse & Akarat’s Champion & Law of your choice. Weapon – you can safely reroll the +dmg to something more important like CDR. ;) You’re not here to kill.
· Little weapon protip: make a socket via Ramaladni’s Gift and put here Gem of Ease.
· Weapon / Shield: Salvation (Bounty-exclusive Crusader shield – blocked attacks will you & allies by 30% of blocked amount. Few thousands, though less than 10k, is possible. You need to get decent block % then) or Akarat’s Awakening (you still need a good block chance to proc the effect and reduce your cooldowns by 1 sec) or Swiftmount (6 secs horsie with Endurance… feelsgoodman) or Inviolable Faith (everybody will get his own healing… I don’t know if basic or with rune of your choice !) or The Final Witness (more CC and even more team dmg !) or In-Geom (reduces your cooldowns after killing an Elite);
· Armor: Aquila Curaiss (best safety – you won’t lose any Wrath so you will constantly have 50% damage reduction). There’s basically no really good alternative to this except Illusory Boots / Ice Climbers if you wear Aquila.
· Ring / Amulet: I recommend Ring of Royal Grandeur (bounty stash exclusive item). The best possible option;
· Best setup – Cube: Salvation (healing, weapon / shield slot) OR Swiftmount (mobility, weapon / shield slot); Aquila Curaiss (armor); Ring of Royal Grandeur (jewelry slot).
As you know, sockets are important. The most important slots are: helm (1 slot), armor (3 slots), legs (2 slots), weapon (1 slot). You can have a slot (1) in your shield too. For weapon, add socket with Ramaladni’s Gift if you can use one (preferably on a well rolled ancient weapon).
I am a HC player so I may overemphasize Toughness. That’s a suggestion. Similar setup worked quite well with my LoN Bomber.
All possible slots: DIAMOND. Yes. You don’t need that STR as you don’t deal damages. You need to stand here and heal. Seems crazy but works.
Weapon: Hmmm… tough choice. Amethyst for Life Per Hit is the best option. Other than that, socket on weapon won’t help you much. As I have said before, put here Gem of Ease if your weapon has a socket. If not, use Ramaladni’s Gift. If you don’t have it – don’t bother with socket in weapon. CDR is more important to have than a socket.
5. Legendary Gems
There are only 3 slots for them – 2x ring, 1x ammy. Be sure that your jewelry contains a socket.
· Bane Of The Powerful (after lvl 25) – you don’t need any dmg but that reduction against elites is good to have;
· Bane Of The Trapped (after lvl 25) – extra CC (slows mobs), BoTP is more important, I think;
· Esoteric Alteration – non-phys dmg reduction. Good thing to have;
· Gem of Effacacious Toxin (after lvl 25) – you can poison enemies with Slash, I think, to proc the lvl 25 bonus. 10% more dmg from other team members for each poisoned enemy and 10% dmg reduction for whole team. Needs testing, I think;
· Mutilation Guard – reduces melee damage done to you;
· Moratorium – another defensive option;
· Molten Wildebeest – more life regen + shield for you;
My gem setup is: Bane of The Powerful (damage reduction), Esoteric Alteration (damage reduction), Mutilation Guard (surprise ! damage reduction… physical this time ;) ). Tried Toxin but it doesn’t work for me. Maybe it’s ok against Rift Guardians. You attack too rarely and your attacks are rather single-target. Your DPS won’t profit much from your Toxin gem – except when fighting the RG.
War recommends this setup: Esoteric Alteration + Gem of Effacacious Toxin + Gogok of Swiftness (for some extra CDR). The third slot is still more or less a freedom-of-choice slot. However, if you manage to get 65%+ CDR, you don’t have to use Gogok as your CDR should be enough.
· Page nr 1: 1. Movement (enough to get 25% total from items + pgon) 2. Vitality (all the rest) 3. Ignore rest options here.
· Page nr 2: 1. Cooldown Reduction. Most important stat here. 2. Critical Hit Chance. 3. Damage. 4. Attack Speed. CDR is the most important here. It’s safe to put rest points here though with your near-minuscule damage, it doesn’t matter :P You don’t even have to put points anywhere than CDR.
· Page nr 3: 1. Resistances. 2. Life %. 3. Armor %. 4. Life regen. All points here. It’s mandatory.
· Page nr 4: 1. Life on Hit. 2. Gold Find. 3. Resource Cost Reduction. No area damage. It won’t help at all.
7. Your skill rotation
Your job is simple – Shield Glare the mobs (so DPS would do more DPS). The you apply Consecration for extra sustain for the team. Use Akarat’s Champion for personal protection and use empowered Law for the benefit of your allies.
The Final Witness will help your team greatly as it applies your Shield Glare in 360 degree around you. Unviolable Faith will give extra sustain to everybody and what could be better than healing, you might ask? MOAR HEALZ !!!1 ;)
Steed Charge through some nearby area to scout and notice your allies about the elites (like putting your banner).
This build, with awesome CDR, feels like finger dance. You constantly do something. Very active playstyle though you might feel it’s very passive.
8. What to focus on gear
You need to have decent CDR. Your damage means nothing at all. Better focus on your own Toughness. CDR is important. I think that anything above 60% should be very good. That value is inferred from my own experience and Deadset’s very good LoN Bomb guide. Also, focus on resists, armor and your life. Forget about any damage improving stats – except strength as it counts into your armor and thus improving your Toughness. You can safely reroll any attack speed %, Critical Hit Damage or +dmg on weapon. ;) Don’t throw away INT-rolled gear. INT gives you resists. And you need them too. More than damage.
Personally, I have managed to acquire 66% CDR. My Akarat’s Champion’s CD ends 1-2 seconds before the effect wears down so I can reapply it. Empowered Law lasts 10 seconds (thanks to the Long Arm passive) and its cooldown is also about 10 seconds. There’s just about 1 second window where the empowered Law is off but I can’t recast it. Still, it’s about 90-95% uptime.
Augments – Vitality (Amethysts). 1-2 Strength augments shouldn’t hurt you much though. Strength also improves your Toughness (by increasing your armor).
Thanks goes to RadTang (me ! :P ) for the idea and work put on this guide. Whole Revolutionaires (<REV>) clan on Europe server – for the support ! J And of course, thx everybody for helping me with testing it. Remember, this build is highly experimental. No one is crazy enough to play Crusader as support.
10. Few last words
This build is based on Diablo 3 2.4.2. I am aware of 7th piece of Akkhan’s set coming in 2.4.3. This build is highly experimental. Any testing and comments & ideas are very welcome. Tested it on a few GR 80s and seems that it works. DPS could do that solo as far as I think but he felt a bit better with me at his side. He would feel even better with a monk support though.
(Enjoy the zCrus ! :P )
1.0 – Initial, Condemn-focused version.
2.0 – Major changes (thx War !): skills -> to current in-game setup; gems in items -> to current in-game setup; paragon points distribution changed; some various fixes, tweaks and so on. Some parts were changed (like Basics section). Serious rework after some testing. This is Slash-focused rework.
2.1 – Little change to Gear part. Added info about upcoming (soon-to-be-live 2.4.3 patch) Akkhan’s amulet and speculation about the Ess of Johann (not tested).
2.2 – Changed Legendary Gems & Gear sections a bit (thanks again, War !). This is the first release to be published outside the clan.
I was wondering if there were any theorycrafters or DK enthusiasts interested in helping me pick out some heroic brf weapons, and to pick which would be best for me.
I've asked every Death Knight i've ran into for advice, and they've been flat out stumped. I'm torn between a heroic warforged burning blade, versus a heroic burning blade with a socket (50 multi). The exchange in stats are (Socketed: -29.31 dps, -16 str, -25 stam, -8 mastery, +38 multi)(Warforged: +29.31 dps, +16 str, +25 stam, +8 mastery, -38 multi). Below is a link to my personal armory.
As a sort of beginning Protection Warrior with an interest into Gladiator Stance I started reading the Gladiator Stance guide and ran into the God... I mean Moderator-given fact that Versatility is better than Mastery for a Gladiator Stance Warrior.
Now I thought that a tad odd, as I've felt from my other characters that Versatility tends to give, point for point, very little damage increase. So I started theorycrafting a little, starting with making sure that Mastery gives 2/3 attack power of the block chance it gives per point of Mastery, which equates to 0.00909% increase in attack power per point. Versatility, on the other hand, gives an extra 0.00769% (perhaps not the exact number) damage per point.
Now this tells us very little because of AP coefficients and whatnot, so we go further. I'll give the crafting for the four most important skills, Heroic Strike, Devastate, Shield Slam and Revenge. Playing around a little, it seemed that Heroic Strike has an Attack Power Coefficient (henceforth APC) of 0.77, Devastate that of 1.54, Shield Slam that of 3.18 and finally Revenge had an APC of 3.37. These coefficients were found by removing 123 AP worth of gear (no other stats changed) and calculating the relative change in the tooltip damage of the skills.
This meant that the percentual damage increase per point of Mastery would be for Heroic Strike 0.0070%, Devastate 0.0140%, Shield Slam 0.0289% and Revenge 0.0306%. Now if I am not totally mistaken, this already shows that only Heroic Strike gains more damage from Versatility, while all the others benefit more from Mastery, point for point.
Finally I decided to weigh this against the relative usage damage output of the skills in a fight. I did not gather data myself but instead used noxxic.com's simulations (available here). Now I have gathered that Noxxic ain't the best webpage for theorycrafting there is ('Cause Icy Veins is the best, obviously), but I figured that their percentages can't be totally wrong. Anyhow, take the following with a grain of salt.
With the relative weights I found Heroic Strike to gain an increase of 0.0012%, Devastate an increase of 0.0030%, Shield Slam an increase of 0.0060% and Revenge an increase of 0.0030% per point of Mastery. The relative weights per point of Versatility on the other hand are 0.0013%, 0.0017%, 0.0016% and 0.0008% respectively. It is now increasingly clear that according to my theorycraft Heroic Strike benefits more from Versatility than Mastery but only by a minute amount while all other skills benefit more from Mastery.
Now comes the big question: What have I missed? What have I miscalculated? Where is my error? Or can it be that Icy Veins has simply misevaluated the damage increase Mastery gives a Gladiator Stance Warrior?