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So piggybacking on the trinket thread from the other day, I'm curious to see what some of you think of my situation.  Sims put pretty much any combination of these within about 2% of each other so it's more for mental gymnastics than anything.  

Current choices: Bloodthirsty Instinct (865, no socket); Spontaneous Appendages (870, no socket); Memento of Arglebargle (860, no socket); Tempered Egg (865, socket+vers); Chrono Shard (870, no socket, set bonus w\neck active)

I run Outlaw for the most part - thinking Egg+Memento would be the most consistent choice, but the haste from BI\Shard is nice at times.  Opinions?

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BTI and Chronoshard would probably be my choices, but that might give you a really useless amount of Haste depending on which buffs you roll; on the other side of the coin if you roll True Bearing with both of these buffs active you'll absolutely massacre everything.

Apendages is pretty bad imo, I don't like the RNG-ness of Angerboda (although it is very strong), and Serpentrix offers almost no damage from the proc on any log I've seen. 

That would be my logic, anyways. Chronoshard and Angerboda would be my second choice for setup, mainly because you said you have the set bonus

Edit: BTI and Shard are fairly consistent as well, given that they both provide a good amount of Agility

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1 hour ago, Carrn said:

BTI and Chronoshard would probably be my choices, but that might give you a really useless amount of Haste depending on which buffs you roll; on the other side of the coin if you roll True Bearing with both of these buffs active you'll absolutely massacre everything.

Apendages is pretty bad imo, I don't like the RNG-ness of Angerboda (although it is very strong), and Serpentrix offers almost no damage from the proc on any log I've seen. 

That would be my logic, anyways. Chronoshard and Angerboda would be my second choice for setup, mainly because you said you have the set bonus

Edit: BTI and Shard are fairly consistent as well, given that they both provide a good amount of Agility

I'm getting mixed results on the Egg - seems like it's always up and good for about 1.5-2.5% total output on stuff like Xavius, but not great at other times.  

Shard w\set and BTI were my go-to for most situations, but that's almost too much haste to even be able to use properly, TB or no.  Angerboda has potential since all 3 stats are useful but I just got it the other night so haven't been able to test it at length.  Appendages I just listed because I haven't vendored it yet (good for sin... maybe?)  

Appreciate the feedback - thinking Shard\Arglebargle will be my next combo to test out.

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21 hours ago, MrEdren said:

I'm getting mixed results on the Egg - seems like it's always up and good for about 1.5-2.5% total output on stuff like Xavius, but not great at other times.  

Shard w\set and BTI were my go-to for most situations, but that's almost too much haste to even be able to use properly, TB or no.  Angerboda has potential since all 3 stats are useful but I just got it the other night so haven't been able to test it at length.  Appendages I just listed because I haven't vendored it yet (good for sin... maybe?)  

Appreciate the feedback - thinking Shard\Arglebargle will be my next combo to test out.

Yeah it more depends on how much Haste you have from gear. Give them a shot and see how they feel, I'm sure in terms of performance they'll all be pretty close so just go with what feels best

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      ·         Page nr 4:  1. Life on Hit. 2. Gold Find. 3. Resource Cost Reduction. No area damage. It won’t help at all.


       
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      Augments – Vitality (Amethysts). 1-2 Strength augments shouldn’t hurt you much though. Strength also improves your Toughness (by increasing your armor).


       
      9.       Thanks!

      Thanks goes to RadTang (me ! :P ) for the idea and work put on this guide. Whole Revolutionaires (<REV>) clan on Europe server – for the support ! J And of course, thx everybody for helping me with testing it. Remember, this build is highly experimental. No one is crazy enough to play Crusader as support.


       
      10.   Few last words

      This build is based on Diablo 3 2.4.2. I am aware of 7th piece of Akkhan’s set coming in 2.4.3. This build is highly experimental. Any testing and comments & ideas are very welcome. Tested it on a few GR 80s and seems that it works. DPS could do that solo as far as I think but he felt a bit better with me at his side. He would feel even better with a monk support though.

      Yours,

      RadTang


       
      (Enjoy the zCrus ! :P )


       
      REVisions:

      1.0   – Initial, Condemn-focused version.

      2.0   – Major changes (thx War !): skills -> to current in-game setup; gems in items -> to current in-game setup; paragon points distribution changed; some various fixes, tweaks and so on. Some parts were changed (like Basics section). Serious rework after some testing. This is Slash-focused rework.

      2.1   – Little change to Gear part. Added info about upcoming (soon-to-be-live 2.4.3 patch) Akkhan’s amulet and speculation about the Ess of Johann (not tested).

      2.2   – Changed Legendary Gems & Gear sections a bit (thanks again, War !). This is the first release to be published outside the clan.


       
    • By Hopper2011
      I was wondering if there were any theorycrafters or DK enthusiasts interested in helping me pick out some heroic brf weapons, and to pick which would be best for me.
      I've asked every Death Knight i've ran into for advice, and they've been flat out stumped. I'm torn between a heroic warforged burning blade, versus a heroic burning blade with a socket (50 multi). The exchange in stats are (Socketed: -29.31 dps, -16 str, -25 stam, -8 mastery, +38 multi)(Warforged: +29.31 dps, +16 str, +25 stam, +8 mastery, -38 multi). Below is a link to my personal armory.
       
      http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/bleeding-hollow/Dkumad/simple
       
      Thank you.
    • By Loimulohi
      Hello everyone
       
      As a sort of beginning Protection Warrior with an interest into Gladiator Stance I started reading the Gladiator Stance guide and ran into the God... I mean Moderator-given fact that Versatility is better than Mastery for a Gladiator Stance Warrior.
       
      Now I thought that a tad odd, as I've felt from my other characters that Versatility tends to give, point for point, very little damage increase. So I started theorycrafting a little, starting with making sure that Mastery gives 2/3 attack power of the block chance it gives per point of Mastery, which equates to 0.00909% increase in attack power per point. Versatility, on the other hand, gives an extra 0.00769% (perhaps not the exact number) damage per point.
       
      Now this tells us very little because of AP coefficients and whatnot, so we go further. I'll give the crafting for the four most important skills, Heroic Strike, Devastate, Shield Slam and Revenge. Playing around a little, it seemed that Heroic Strike has an Attack Power Coefficient (henceforth APC) of 0.77, Devastate that of 1.54, Shield Slam that of 3.18 and finally Revenge had an APC of 3.37. These coefficients were found by removing 123 AP worth of gear (no other stats changed) and calculating the relative change in the tooltip damage of the skills.
       
      This meant that the percentual damage increase per point of Mastery would be for Heroic Strike 0.0070%, Devastate 0.0140%, Shield Slam 0.0289% and Revenge 0.0306%. Now if I am not totally mistaken, this already shows that only Heroic Strike gains more damage from Versatility, while all the others benefit more from Mastery, point for point.
       
      Finally I decided to weigh this against the relative usage damage output of the skills in a fight. I did not gather data myself but instead used noxxic.com's simulations (available here). Now I have gathered that Noxxic ain't the best webpage for theorycrafting there is ('Cause Icy Veins is the best, obviously), but I figured that their percentages can't be totally wrong. Anyhow, take the following with a grain of salt.
       
      With the relative weights I found Heroic Strike to gain an increase of 0.0012%, Devastate an increase of 0.0030%, Shield Slam an increase of 0.0060% and Revenge an increase of 0.0030% per point of Mastery. The relative weights per point of Versatility on the other hand are 0.0013%, 0.0017%, 0.0016% and 0.0008% respectively. It is now increasingly clear that according to my theorycraft Heroic Strike  benefits more from Versatility than Mastery but only by a minute amount while all other skills benefit more from Mastery.
       
       
      Now comes the big question: What have I missed? What have I miscalculated? Where is my error? Or can it be that Icy Veins has simply misevaluated the damage increase Mastery gives a Gladiator Stance Warrior?
       
       
      Cheers
      -Loimulohi