6.1 Demonology Guide

[Liquidsteel 279]

Twin Ogron is good with Cataclysm. Almost every time you can hit both bosses with it. This also free up your Fury to be spent on ToC.

 

I killed it as Affliction last week and did about the same DPS with like 3 ilvl lower, however Demonology was a hell of a lot more fun, and our re-kill was pretty messy whereas the kill was quite clean, so take from that what you will.

 

Tectus is just Cataclysm heaven. On Mythic you kill 8 motes plus 2 shards at the same time, so you just throw all your eggs in one basket for the final 30s burst. Cataclysm + GoServ + Imp Swarm + Infernal + Chaos Wave = tons of burst damage.

[Vile 9]

Tectus is just Cataclysm heaven. On Mythic you kill 8 motes plus 2 shards at the same time, so you just throw all your eggs in one basket for the final 30s burst. Cataclysm + GoServ + Imp Swarm + Infernal + Chaos Wave = tons of burst damage.

I'll probably drop my Destro spec for Demo when we reach Mythic Tectus, that sounds like a wet dream. Do you also run MF for this or do you prefer back to back DS for the burst phase?

[Desos 18]

If you consider using Cata, please make sure your tanks know this is something you can stand in and don´t move the bosses every 2 seconds. It´s super annyoing if your cata ends up useless, because tanks pull the mobs out of the cast zone in the last millisecond -.-

[Liquidsteel 279]

Tanks can't see the animation.

Well, nobody can but you!

[Zagam 1,983]

So are people still thinking Demo is viable in PvE instead of playing destro or afflic? My dps is just so low compared to other destro locks. I've been trying hard to improve but my dps is still subpar...16-17k single target....~19k on a fight like twin ogron..639 ilvl..

"Viable" is a term not to be used with Warlocks.  We're always "viable" in all specs - damage is in the hands of the user.

[Astynax 24]

"Viable" is a term not to be used with Warlocks.  We're always "viable" in all specs - damage is in the hands of the user.

 

Playing demo vs what I would call a good destro warlock (not Zag or Locky mind you, but he's highly acclaimed within our guild), who beats me by 2-3 ilvls and I'm coming out ahead on most fights.... I realize that some of this is luck, and some is him not being exactly 1000% on top of his game, but the dps differential between the two is completely marginal at best. He beat me overall on Ko'Ragh (because I was ignoring adds, and being a bit too jew-y with my demonbolt intervals), but I had more actual boss HP damage. Brackenspore I played aff and did the flamethrowers, so my DPS was absolute shit. But other than that, we were so incredibly close that it didn't matter, with me generally edging him out ever so slightly.

[Deamux 4]

I went berserk yesterday after an affli lock said i had to respec to affli because he did beat me on the first fight. Afterwards i topped him on every single other fight except twins. Granted I have about 9 ilvls on him..

[Astynax 24]

I went berserk yesterday after an affli lock said i had to respec to affli because he did beat me on the first fight. Afterwards i topped him on every single other fight except twins. Granted I have about 9 ilvls on him..

 

Big-dicking one another is absolutely what we warlocks do best.

[Deamux 4]

Big-dicking one another is absolutely what we warlocks do best.

Haha! I agree. Lately i find joy in trying to climb as high on the dps meter as possible to be able to laugh at most of the people below me .

[Liquidsteel 279]

I'm terrible at that, I love blowing my own trumpet.

Then again, I am the best player in the world... /s

[Furee 0]

Big-dicking one another is absolutely what we warlocks do best.

 

Agreed. We even made a channel just for our warlocks to talk shit in.

[Soulzar 42]

What fights are fights to be taking Cata>Demonbolt? I had just assumed that you go demonbolt every fight.

 

Bladefist if you do the upper arena, Twins, Tectus.. and I have a few pulls now using its on Mythic Brackenspore (flame thrower).  

 

Still testing that fight to see what works best.  Was having trouble building fury fast enough for a proper DB cycle with having to go do Moss....and getting a Cataclysm off on Boss+big add+1-3 Spore Shooters, when it crits for close to 300k (Just with DS, didnt get far enough into fight for trinkt to be back up) is amazing dmg.  That said, i've seen Demonbolts hit for almost 500k with the buff too.  Have to see if I can get my fury income up to try demon bolt, but may just stay with Cata since it looks to work well and lets me use ToC on adds like mind fungus to negate the slowed cast time.

[Hybrex 1]

Went demo on mythic twins last night, Our ret was like... where the hell is your damage coming from (as he hasnt seen our locks near the top all xpac apart from my decent ranking on Koragh)

 

Made me lol 

[Astynax 24]

Went demo on mythic twins last night, Our ret was like... where the hell is your damage coming from (as he hasnt seen our locks near the top all xpac apart from my decent ranking on Koragh)

 

Made me lol

Solution: get better locks.

Lol. There is a lot of bitching, lots of it warranted, about our weakness, but most of us are still pushing out the numbers. I'd like to think most of us are a class of knowledgable people who play well. The locks in my group are still beating some people, consistently, and we're almost never the worst dps in there. I think of it as a testament to our ability as players. Even when we're "bad." We're doing good.

[yibsu 1]

Is it worth it to delay my active trinket (CC) for the second Demonbolt phase since it's 4 instead of 2? Still using DS on the pull, just delaying Copeland's by one minute. This is with the static haste/multistrike trinket, so no proc ICDs to worry about.

Edited December 19, 2014 by yibsu

[Soulzar 42]

Is it worth it to delay my active trinket (CC) for the second Demonbolt phase since it's 4 instead of 2? Still using DS on the pull, just delaying Copeland's by one minute. This is with the static haste/multistrike trinket, so no proc ICDs to worry about.

 

Not likely.  Delaying at the start could prevent an extra use in the end.

[Hybrex 1]

Hard decision trinket wise

 

Copelands

Heroic Stat Stick

Mythic Shards

 

I love stat stick/shards but copelands being so strong im not sure. 

[Astynax 24]

Hard decision trinket wise

Copelands

Heroic Stat Stick

Mythic Shards

I love stat stick/shards but copelands being so strong im not sure.

I would imagine cope lands + stat stick. But if you're wondering, do the math on average spell power gain from shard v cope lands. That should give you a rough idea of which is ahead. Obviously, if it's close, cope lands takes it.

Edit: I'm bored and like napkin math:

Call cope lands available for every 4th demonbolt cycle.

1467/4= 367 average int gain on demonbolt.

302 flat int gain on shard.

367-302= 65 sp differential.

65 x 4.5 = 292 + 351 + 410 + 468 = 1521 damage differential in every demonbolt cycle, before crit.

302 x 0.816 = 246.4 damage gain from shard per soul fire, ignoring crit.

1521/246.3 = 6 soul fires between demonbolt a to make up the damage differential.

But that's wrong, cause crit strike, so 3 soul fires.

Or 302 x 1.26 = 380.5 damage per shadow bolt.

1521/380 = 4 shadow bolts to make up the damage.

In other words. Shard might be a very very minor dps gain, but it's probably marginal.

Edited December 22, 2014 by Astynax

[Hybrex 1]

Well i got it my first kill of twins, then posted my comment so haven't tested it.

 

I was running demo with cata, with Stat Stick + CC

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HRBhj8CLKvZy13Jw

 

Thats my log.

 

inb4 "ZOMG YOU PLAYED TERRIBLY" - I know this. Save your breathe's IV community, however feel free to have a look, Vile

 

First thought for demo Leap and then Soulfire during meta as normal.

 

However dumping Fury with ToC whilst blaze + empowered whirlwind or just any movement seemed a lot better. Still trying to use as many soulfires as needed in meta without starving myself for movement phases. 

Edited December 22, 2014 by Hybrex

[Twinkielock 15]

If DS is glyphed besides the burn phase when should it be used?  

[Liquidsteel 279]

If DS is glyphed besides the burn phase when should it be used?

Do you mean DS Glyph in conjunction with AD?

If so it depends. You can use it based on the needs of the encounter, or at the end for a final mini burn.

Are you taking cata or demonbolt? These things must all be taken into consideration and you can make your own decision.

[JvChequer 43]

AD is a must for Demonbolt.

 

But for Cata depends on the encounter.

[Molocci 0]

Hello guys! I want to offspec demo but my main spec is affliction thus I have haste gems/enchants. Is it a big dps loss in comparsion to prioritizing mastery (as demo ofc)?

Edited January 4, 2015 by Molocci

[JvChequer 43]

Hello guys! I want to offspec demo but my main spec is affliction thus I have haste gems/enchants. Is it a big dps loss in comparsion to prioritizing mastery (as demo ofc)?

 

Go for mastery gems, affliction does OK with mastery gems and mastery it's better in multi-dot than haste for affliction.

[spikeysquad 50]

From the guide:

 

"TL;DR - Mastery >= Haste (to about 10%) > Crit = Multistrike > Haste = Versatility"

 

Does that mean 10% self or raid buffed please? I'm sitting at 4% self buffed and the haste value is already dropping off but that just could be because I have so much of it compared to other stats as I was/am gearing more towards Affliction.

Edited January 5, 2015 by spikeysquad