Furyio 3 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 I guess you all should prepare for an influx of people moving to Demo, like me ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Virzaol 0 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 Sad, but true. Just because the buff number is highest, people will likely flock to it without a second thought, even though Destro and Affliction are ALSO buffed and perfectly playable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stunlocked 8 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 Sad, but true. Just because the buff number is highest, people will likely flock to it without a second thought, even though Destro and Affliction are ALSO buffed and perfectly playable. The latest Simcraft is showing Demonology waaaaaay head of the other specs (and most other classes). Destruction was buffed - but it was a very small buff. I think the real question will be whether or not the simcraft numbers are accurate. We'll find out once the servers go live (or are they live already?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mero 0 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 The real question is: why Simcraft simulated us with Supremacy instead of Synergy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Furyio 3 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 Sad, but true. Just because the buff number is highest, people will likely flock to it without a second thought, even though Destro and Affliction are ALSO buffed and perfectly playable. Well the differences between all three specs were so marginal beforehand, I just stuck with Destro, even though Demo is my favourite. Leveled the WoD content as Demo, but it was so garbage on max I dumped it. I'm happy to come back to Demo for however long this lasts, but unfortuantely I'm not really in a position where I can just "have fun" with whatever spec I want. The guild want to get into progression mode ahead of Foundry so that means min maxing and playing the most optimal specs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soulzar 42 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 I have been playing demo on anything I could. I am sooo excited for this buff! Demo is so much damn fun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,983 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 The real question is: why Simcraft simulated us with Supremacy instead of Synergy? Synergy has RNG tied to it. It's also very very close single target which is what is baseline simulated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noveliss 1 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) WTB AoE crash course and any tips for Highmaul encounters Kargath: I imagine I put dots on the tiger if I'm not going up and continue single target DPS Butcher: Single Target GG Brack: Keep dots on Brack and Flesh eater, how do I deal with Spore Shooters? Tectus: Pop Cd's with 2 shards and 8 motes, cata + ToC? Twins: Keep dots up on the two I assume Ko'Ragh: Single target + maybe ToC adds? Imp: Assuming destro Am I correct on most of this? Am I missing anything? Edited January 13, 2015 by Noveliss Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bombsauce 3 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 WTB AoE crash course and any tips for Highmaul encounters HoG x2, meta + cata, Mannoroth's fury + immo aura, chaos wave on cd, fel/wrathstorm, gg 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bombsauce 3 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 Demo isn't optimal for Brack, but if you must, your job should be the big add and the boss. Leave the sporeshooters to the dps with more burst. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noveliss 1 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 Demo isn't optimal for Brack, but if you must, your job should be the big add and the boss. Leave the sporeshooters to the dps with more burst. Destro it is Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikedawg 4 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 What's everyone's opener on a single target with base (200?) fury? I'm also making the switch and have never raided as Demo before. I have Copeland's Clarity. Also Imp Swarm? And always glyph DS for Demonbolt? Thanks for the help guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bombsauce 3 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) If you have never played demo, forget about Imp swarm. I open on single target with: pre-pot Shadowbolt HoG Corruption Shadowbolt HoG Meta Doom Dark Soul + trinkets Demon Bolt x2 Soul and then resume fury building rotation Edited January 13, 2015 by Bombsauce Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JvChequer 43 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 Soulfire at precasting instead of Shadowbolt, generates more fury. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,983 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 HoG x2, meta + cata, Mannoroth's fury + immo aura, chaos wave on cd, fel/wrathstorm, gg Should always use Chaos Wave on 2+ targets. Soulfire at precasting instead of Shadowbolt, generates more fury. Correct - Soulfire is your pre-cast selection. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
taliesin52 3 Report post Posted January 13, 2015 Demo isn't optimal for Brack, but if you must, your job should be the big add and the boss. Leave the sporeshooters to the dps with more burst. Not optimal, but I do enjoy Cata Demo on that fight. Of course it helps me since I'm on flamethrowers because our hunters are a little dense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paracel 165 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 Using Cata on every fight besides Kargath/Butcher - worth of thinking? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phenax 12 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 Sooo largest demonbolt thread akin to the chaos bolt thread in 5,4? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,983 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 Gonna get a 1m DB very soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phenax 12 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) Gonna get a 1m DB very soon. It definitely seems possible to get a ~700k demonbolt in 680 gear (obviously with kargath tigers and favor). Could have had more favor and the demonbolt above was only a 3 stack. Obviously if you really wanted to go for it stack past four, but eh. Might want to have a limit on stacks if we do something like that. Edited January 14, 2015 by Phenax Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crueltism 0 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 From yesterdays pharses many locks played demonbolt in combination with grimoire of supremacy and without imp glyph. On the other hand many played with grimoire of synergy and with imp glyph. What would be the best advice here ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 To play with what you want I guess! RNG can swing either way. Sup and no IS will be more consistent, though Synergy will likely parse higher akin to a good fire mage parse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyanchan 2 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) Bit confused now about 3 things.... 1) Chaos Wave is better than HoG for more than 1 targets, right? (eg, always use it when twins are close to each other) 2) Is my opening correct? pre-pot pre-soulfire HoG corruption imp swarm demonguard HoG Meta doom DS + trinket doombolt x2 touch of chaos till pop out of meta Normal rotation Am i doing it wrong? cuz i swear ive read it differently on the posts from bout 1 or 2 pages ago, and the guide says something else. 3) Is shards of nothing on use effect relevant at all for demon bolt? since it increases haste, and since i cant use more than 4 demon bolts it doesn't really matter if i cast them faster, because they already fit in the DS buff window. Edited January 14, 2015 by Nyanchan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paracel 165 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 Bit confused now about 3 things.... 1) Chaos Wave is better than HoG for more than 1 targets, right? (eg, always use it when twins are close to each other) 2) Is my opening correct? pre-pot pre-soulfire HoG corruption imp swarm demonguard HoG Meta doom DS + trinket doombolt x2 touch of chaos till pop out of meta Normal rotation Am i doing it wrong? cuz i swear ive read it differently on the posts from bout 1 or 2 pages ago, and the guide says something else. 3) Is shards of nothing on use effect relevant at all for demon bolt? since it increases haste, and since i cant use more than 4 demon bolts it doesn't really matter if i cast them faster, because they already fit in the DS buff window. 1)Yeah. Talked around in this thread. 2)Seems fine to me. (Using pretty much the same. I suck at Demo, though.) 3)DB is not getting bigger, but you'll end cycle and get DB debuff off faster, so it's an overall DPS increase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spikeysquad 50 Report post Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) Nyanchan, As far as I am aware (at least until the last patch) Imp Swarm is still a dps loss over course of a fight. I gather that you're better having regular Imps spawn giving you a somewhat constant fury. I will let someone way more qualified comment on your rotation but I gather the main goal is to get enough fury the most effective way for nthe opening 2 DBs (or 3 depending on what rotation you are using) and the rest matters not as much. If you take out Imp Swarm and do the Demonguard there do you have enough for the 2 DBs? If not you may need an extra shadowbolt pre-meta. Like Paracel says more haste decreases the Demonbolt cooldown allowing you to cast it again faster. Not sure what your gear is like yet but now I will often get near capping on fury (then spend it) before the cooldown is gone. Good luck! Edited January 14, 2015 by spikeysquad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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