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Lol, didn't trust my testing?

 

I didn't see it, I didn't go far back enough into the thread. My guide has been updated accordingly. Thanks for that, Orthios.

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While it does gain haste yes, it is NOT as much haste as your pet would get from keeping it's Frenzy stacks. 

 

Edit: Holy fuck I'm wrong as shit. I just got my pet under a 1.00 attack speed.

 

I was curious about this, since FF is 30% and Frenzy (maxed) is 20%. Seems like you could tehoretically get your pet to 150%+ if you get both FF and full Frenzy during BW, even higher if you have lust

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Guide has been updated to read this:

 

*Focus Fire should be used on cooldown UNLESS there is less than 3 seconds of Bestial Wrath left, where you would no longer benefit as much from the haste, and your pet wouldn't get a 2x damage basic attack.

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I was curious about this, since FF is 30% and Frenzy (maxed) is 20%. Seems like you could tehoretically get your pet to 150%+ if you get both FF and full Frenzy during BW, even higher if you have lust

With my 31% haste, FF, 5 Frenzy stacks, and Hero would put my pet at 306.85% Haste - a 0.65s melee interval.  I would have 232.46% haste - or 9.3 focus per second and a .86s Cobra Shot cast time (why on azeroth I'd need to cast cobra shot with that much focus gen idk).  Yeah.... shit gets crazy once haste buffs start stacking up.

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With my 31% haste, FF, 5 Frenzy stacks, and Hero would put my pet at 306.85% Haste - a 0.65s melee interval.  I would have 232.46% haste - or 9.3 focus per second and a .86s Cobra Shot cast time (why on azeroth I'd need to cast cobra shot with that much focus gen idk).  Yeah.... shit gets crazy once haste buffs start stacking up.

 

Now imagine if BM still had Rapid Fire :)

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Also, you could get 100% uptime (or close to it, minus 15s for frenzy stack accumulating) by being the God of RNG.  You have a 4.096% chance during each Focus Fire use to get enough Frenzy stacks to refresh it.  Getting one refresh is 4.096% chance, and a second would be 0.16777216% chance.  Theoretically possible...... but so unlikely to happen that you'll likely never see this.  Ever.  After this the chance becomes so unfathomably small its kinda funny.  So, don't plan on getting multiple FF in a row, especially after 2 (which is ~1/25 chance, while 3 is ~1/600).

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So now thrill of the hunt > steady focus again? (For mm)

 

Right now yeah, if the fight is super short just take Thrill. It'll make your burst higher, but if the fight lasts too long SF becomes better pretty fast. If you're killing things sub 1:40 I'd say use Thrill. Any slower and SF will win out.

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Hello again,

So with the new nerf to Mm and boost to BM, is it safe to say BM tops MM once more? Do you think you could update the DPS graphs in the OP to reflect the new changes?

Thank you

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Hello again,

So with the new nerf to Mm and boost to BM, is it safe to say BM tops MM once more? Do you think you could update the DPS graphs in the OP to reflect the new changes?

Thank you

Not really, Chimeara Shot was doing ~20% of my damage (rough guestimate of an average across all fights), and with a 13% damage reduction this becomes 17.4%, or ~3.6% overall nerf.  So not a lot was really lost in terms of MM dps.  The buff to KC is much needed, and helps close the gap for those that are too antsy to have a high uptime on Sniper Training.  At 95%+ ST uptime, however, I would say that MM still is ahead.

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Right now yeah, if the fight is super short just take Thrill. It'll make your burst higher, but if the fight lasts too long SF becomes better pretty fast. If you're killing things sub 1:40 I'd say use Thrill. Any slower and SF will win out.

So say im in mythic SOO where most fights will last a while it would be better to keep using steady focus, other than like galakras and nazgrim where they die instantly?

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So say im in mythic SOO where most fights will last a while it would be better to keep using steady focus, other than like galakras and nazgrim where they die instantly?

 

Well, I would use whatever you're comfortable with on Galakras and Nazgrim. Those fights last a lot longer. I'm talking using Thrill on a sub 1:30 Jugg and Malkorok as well as super fast Siegecrafter burns. If you're progressing and are good with SF I'd use that.

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Well, I would use whatever you're comfortable with on Galakras and Nazgrim. Those fights last a lot longer. I'm talking using Thrill on a sub 1:30 Jugg and Malkorok as well as super fast Siegecrafter burns. If you're progressing and are good with SF I'd use that.

Oh im 14/14, just curious on what to use where.

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Oh im 14/14, just curious on what to use where.

 

Same boat here, so since my guild has everything on farm and Mythic fights are tuned very low now, I use ToTH exclusively since it's way more useful outside of the raid when I am questing, doing legacy raids, etc.  Once WoD lands in 1.5 weeks, ToTH is going to be the best talent that tier for leveling (IMO), so I have personally have no incentive to try anything else right now.  So, really, at this point, use what feels best to you, it won't matter soon :)

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Same boat here, so since my guild has everything on farm and Mythic fights are tuned very low now, I use ToTH exclusively since it's way more useful outside of the raid when I am questing, doing legacy raids, etc.  Once WoD lands in 1.5 weeks, ToTH is going to be the best talent that tier for leveling (IMO), so I have personally have no incentive to try anything else right now.  So, really, at this point, use what feels best to you, it won't matter soon smile.png

kk thx bud

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