The Help My DPS Thread

[Unavailabled 0]

Someone linked me to this thread, didn't notice it was lock only sorry guys! :)

Edited January 25, 2015 by Unavailabled

[Paracel 165]

@Razeria,

1)Your buff and proc syncronization is very off. You used literally 2 DS when your Nightmare Fire proced on Imperator. That's a waste of many DPS.
2)Int pot is very far from other procs aswell. You also used only 1 on Imperator and Koragh.
3)Immolate uptime is bad. You've died on some fights and that's bad, but you've had only 82% on tectus and 81% on imp. Fix it and stop dying from stuff.
4)Havoc and Shadowburn.
Imp victory pull - 16 havocs over 12.3 minutes. It is very very far from optimal. You can havoc each abberation add twice and get infinite havocs at p4, work on it.
Amount of your Shadowburns on Imp and Bracken is weak aswell.

You essentially got carried on your Imp kill, 17k in HC is not even a lower passing bar. You only beat Hunter who died at 10 minute mark. DKs are almost twice your damage.

Ton of work for you that needs to be done, keep it up.

@guy1415,
I can't set you a diagnosis without logs. Run some raids and upload logs to warcraftlogs.com, give us something to really work on. 
Saying what is your rotation is cool, for sure, but actually seeing a record of your fight is much much better for us both.

From your armory I can see that your gear is absolutely not enchanted and not socketed.
It's not good. You can apply cheap chants and easlily get 200 stat from neck+2rings+back and 35 more from socket and even then there will be place for Shattered Hand enchant, nice cheap dps boost. 235 stat is the amount of secondary stats your 655 boots gives you and they not even taking slots.
Don't be greedy, never miss chants, sockets and foods/pots/elixirs.

Correct me if i'm wrong.
Hope that helps. Good luck!

Edited January 23, 2015 by Paracel

[Paracel 165]

Hey! I have been playing a Rogue since BC, but have never tried to do Sub PvE. I have just recently made the switch, and I think I really enjoy it, but I just can't get the numbers I am expecting out of it as I see other rogues doing.

 

My two problems are polishing up my Single-Target rotation, and that I just absolutely do not know what I should be doing on Mythic Brackenspore and Mythic Tectus. A lot of forums give different answers. 

 

At the moment, I do not have any Single-Target logs so I will start with Multi-Target. I will have some by tonight. Last night my guild was putting in attempts on Mythic Brackenspore, and the most I know is keeping rupture up on both Brackenspore and the add while using FoK. I did not know if using CT on two targets was more beneficial than using Eviscerate to spend my combo points, but I feel like it was more beneficial to just focus on Eviscerate and drop CT. It might just be that having to worry about one more DoT messes up my DPS because I am not used to sub. (I do not have WeakAuras for DoTs on targets I am not on, I really don't know how to configure them myself, but I set up a couple of bars for rupture, hemo, and slice that only tracks my target, so I have to take guesses) 

 

My even bigger problem with Multi-target fights is... what do I even do with Shadow Dance and Shadow Reflection? Once again I see different answers everywhere so I have no clue... Mainly on Mythic Brackenspore and Mythic Tectus, because I know they will both be different. Do I pop dance just to get FW on my focus target and continue with the FoK/Evis spam? Or do I get in all the Ambush/Evis I can like usual?

 

Anyways, here are my logs for last nights attempts on Mythic Bracken, probably really sloppy but thats why I am here:

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nWKkhbrLtmRCwzcq

 

I was using the Garrote > Shadow Reflection > Ambush > Rupture > 2xAmbush> Evis > 2xAmbush > Evis > 2x Ambush > Refresh Slice and continue with my rotation opener. Also, I dropped CT and just focused on keeping Rupture on both targets while spamming FoK and dumping my points into Eviscerates. Whenever Shadow Dance came up, I just used it to get FW on my target and continued with the FoK/Evis spam. When the add died, I switched back to my single target rotation.

 

And my Armory link:

 

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/area-52/Unavailabled/simple

 

Any help will be much appreciated! 

 You came to the wrong neighbourhood, buddy. 

 It's warlock ghetto. 

Sorry, we no work with rogues.

Edited January 23, 2015 by Paracel

[corgikith 0]

@paracel

super ty!!

am now psyched for my raid this weekend, have a clear focus (besides more boss death) and yes, my buddy xarlock is lurking here also :)

 

always

hapie

[Sunripened 0]

Hello fellow Warlocks,

I'm in need of little help with my DPS, I'm trying out Demonology. As you can see below the warlock above me has 34.5k will i only have 30.5k DPS. What I'm a doing wrong? The warlock also has 5 itemlevels more. But I'm feeling with my itemlevel 677 I should be able to push alot more.

Log Butcher HC:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xwajr27FMnzXNtYG/

Thank your for taking your time helping me. 

Update:
I have tried Butcher a couple of times after this and the log below is the best I can get:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WZd6YPk1zjhRT84v/#type=damage-done&source=23

The only thing I can think of is that i missed using my trinket in the pull.

Edited January 24, 2015 by Sunripened

[Hawkin 5]

Thanks for the advice guys, they've been sent to my friend and he's going to hope for better trinket! :P

[guy1415 0]

 

@guy1415,

I can't set you a diagnosis without logs. Run some raids and upload logs to warcraftlogs.com, give us something to really work on. 

Saying what is your rotation is cool, for sure, but actually seeing a record of your fight is much much better for us both.

From your armory I can see that your gear is absolutely not enchanted and not socketed.

It's not good. You can apply cheap chants and easlily get 200 stat from neck+2rings+back and 35 more from socket and even then there will be place for Shattered Hand enchant, nice cheap dps boost. 235 stat is the amount of secondary stats your 655 boots gives you and they not even taking slots.

Don't be greedy, never miss chants, sockets and foods/pots/elixirs.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

Hope that helps. Good luck!

 

thank you, i will upload my logs and post a new comment. thank you again

[Sabertorous 0]

@Sunripened looks like you got bit by the rng bug. You and your guild mate would be neck and neck, but he got 6 more synergies than you did, 1 more ring proc and only 1 more MC proc. That's the big difference. You should tell the 3rd lock to use the same set up as you two, no synergy and only 4 uses of DS, he was 3rd and being a baddie ;). Gil also averaged 10k more per DB, that adds up.

[Paracel 165]

@Sunripened,
Your TG cooldown in first fight for me is all like "waaaat>?". 
Completely off the radar for pot/bl/stuff buffs.

Second fight you've managed to use it with pot and it worked ok, performance improved.

Generally you are OK, just pay more attention and don't forget buttons like trinkets and TGs.

[Sunripened 0]

@Sunripened,

Your TG cooldown in first fight for me is all like "waaaat>?". 

Completely off the radar for pot/bl/stuff buffs.

Second fight you've managed to use it with pot and it worked ok, performance improved.

Generally you are OK, just pay more attention and don't forget buttons like trinkets and TGs.

 

TG? One of the things that I think I'm a abit of is the HoGs. Should't they before you go meta?

By the way, should i PoP trinket when is off colddown or sync with something? 

Edited January 24, 2015 by Sunripened

[Sabertorous 0]

@Sunripened, another thing I wanted to mention but didn't look at was your gear and Gil's gear. His crit level must be lower than yours, but maybe his mastery level is higher. The side by side fight he had 0 crit DB, but you had 17%. Your next log had you at 33%, I think, on DB, could be an issue, great if you swap with a destro spec. It has been said in this forum or demo forum you don't wait to pop off DB, unless your talking a couple secs of wait. Ideally every other cycle should be trinket and DS.

[Paracel 165]

TG? One of the things that I think I'm a abit of is the HoGs. Should't they before you go meta?

By the way, should i pop trinket when is off cooldown or sync with something? 

I mean TG as big and fancy "Summon Terrorguard" button.

It doesn't really matter about HoGs, dot part is cool if you can stack it for both damages and MC procs. Chaos Wave is awesome too, especially on 2+targets.

Trinket doesn't really matter too. You can use it to fasten cycle each 2nd DB, or use it as a fury generator if you are having problems.

Edit:spelling

Edited January 24, 2015 by Paracel

[tarreltje 0]

Hello,

 

Yesterday i was kinda pwnd by i lock with a lower ilev then me, dps wise then!

 

I asked him about his rotation and he told me that he waited for 3 embers, then pop DS. After that he went offline never spoke to him! I think what he did was:

 

> 3 embers - conlflag - DS - chaosbolt, then filler incinerates

 

My rotation :

 

Immo always up

DS when its off cooldown (macro)

Conflag when its of cooldown

Chaosbolt when backdraft is up

incinerate as filler

 

Should i just go for > 3 embers, only then DS (trinket) - conflag - 3x chaosbolt?

 

What are your thoughts, im kinda lost after what i have seen yesterday

[Liquidsteel 279]

Snip

Please provide logs.

 

Off the cuff, building to 3 embers is wrong because he will be wasting his 10s ring and weapon enchant procs, losing damage.

 

Can't say for sure what's going on, but if you got beat on DPS it certainly, 100%, without a shadow of a doubt is NOT going to be because his opener was slightly different to yours.

[spikeysquad 50]

Only thing that majorly jumped out at me Tarreltje is you should not being using CB with Backdraft stacks (unless a proc is going to run out). Otherwise you need logs to highlight the the issues. 

[tarreltje 0]

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/azjolnerub/Zhax/simple

 

Log i need to make! To night i did Imp HC, from start ill jump towards 29K, can keep it abit on 24K and after that is almost down to 18K :(. I know without the log you cant see what im doing so going to get that!

 

I pop DS on cooldown. The chaos bolts now only when i have 3 and or the DS buff. Is my weapon enchnt not good? I have looked at the armory at some decend locks and some of them have the mastery and some the crit..

[Liquidsteel 279]

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/azjolnerub/Zhax/simple

 

Log i need to make! To night i did Imp HC, from start ill jump towards 29K, can keep it abit on 24K and after that is almost down to 18K . I know without the log you cant see what im doing so going to get that!

 

I pop DS on cooldown. The chaos bolts now only when i have 3 and or the DS buff. Is my weapon enchnt not good? I have looked at the armory at some decend locks and some of them have the mastery and some the crit..

Guarantee you aren't sniping shadow burns or using havoc properly.

[tarreltje 0]

Can you be more precise on that? I do use havoc!

[Liquidsteel 279]

Can't be more precise if you don't provide logs.

And I didn't say you didn't use it, but that you aren't using it properly. Likely sitting on the cooldown too long, along with failing to snipe and cleave shadowburns correctly.

For reference I did over 28k with 659 ilvl on my first kill.

[warbloodfr 0]

Hi, I'm playing has a destro/demo warlock right now, 662 ilvl and i need a bit of help i seem to not good has much dps has other locks... and trying to progress into mythic.. some fights im doing around 21-23k other fights im doing like about 17k plz help? and in burst mode i do like 35k-40k plz help?

 

heres my warcraftlogs:

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a73brdVfGTzHthQg#fight=10&type=damage-done

 

heres my wow armory:

 

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/arthas/Let%C3%BCm/simple

[Thyle 0]

I'm a raid leader for a pretty casual guild that is working toward clearing HM.  Right now I'm hoping to get some help with increasing our Warlocks dps.

 

Here is a link to our most recent HM, we extended our lockout to focus on getting new bosses down, but previous weeks would show more fights.  https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cgVFC63PqWHGzBjh

 

Here is the armory link.  http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/proudmoore/Razida/simple

 

Thanks for the help.

[tarreltje 0]

Im ment what you ment with snipe and cleave :). Tonight i will make the logs! Is there nothing wrong in therms of my armory?

[Paracel 165]

Im ment what you ment with snipe and cleave . Tonight i will make the logs! Is there nothing wrong in therms of my armory?

Armory is fine.

Talking abount snipe, Liquidsteel was meaning such usage of Havoc that implies Shadowburning low hp adds and getting that damage on the main target through Havoc. If you're asking this question, I'm sure Liquid is 100% right.

Give logs and we'll have a chat.

 

 

I'm a raid leader for a pretty casual guild that is working toward clearing HM.  Right now I'm hoping to get some help with increasing our Warlocks dps.

 

Here is a link to our most recent HM, we extended our lockout to focus on getting new bosses down, but previous weeks would show more fights.  https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cgVFC63PqWHGzBjh

 

Here is the armory link.  http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/proudmoore/Razida/simple

 

Thanks for the help.

Hi there!

First of all, bring this warlock over here in person. Nothing against you, but talking through a third person will give less effect.

Onwards to logs.

Kargath - he instanly died. Nothing to talk.

Bracken really interested me.

Besides 90% uptime that could be higher, I was really impressed by Havoc/Shadowburn amount. It's decent, unlike the most of logs around here.

There was 0 pots during this fight, which is embarrasing. As a raid leader, this is the first issue you should address.

I want to address another issue, and that's DS usage and CBs.

First of all, it's glyphed. I wouldn't argue about it right now, but it is generally not a good idea. Read around, I've explained it.

But that's OK. 9 DS over 8mins is OK, no losses.

And then we open up a "Casts" bar.

First DS(00:07). 3 CBs for opener follows at the whooping 00:34, a billion seconds after buff (and burst pot, if there was one)end. Not acceptable.

And then there is 2nd and 3rd DS which had 0 Chaos Bolt casts in duration of both of them. Zero.

His DS' and CB's are very messy, as well as opening, I assume. Bring him here to read around about the most consistent opening sequence, get rid of that DS and Havoc Glyphs, and practice to line big casts and big buffs.

 

 

Hi, I'm playing has a destro/demo warlock right now, 662 ilvl and i need a bit of help i seem to not good has much dps has other locks... and trying to progress into mythic.. some fights im doing around 21-23k other fights im doing like about 17k plz help? and in burst mode i do like 35k-40k plz help?

 

heres my warcraftlogs:

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a73brdVfGTzHthQg#fight=10&type=damage-done

 

heres my wow armory:

 

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/arthas/Let%C3%BCm/simple

Your Kargath log is absolutely embarrasing. I'll name a few points.

1)0(zero)burst pots used.

2)20% Rain of Fire uptime with 10 casts. What is this for? Stands?

Why on earth were you put there?

Don't use RoF pretty much anywhere besides Imp and avoid stands. You are useless here as Destro.

3)DS usage is very bad. You did 2(TWO) casts in a fight 5 minutes long. I assume you've used AD. You simply wasted two of your best damage cooldowns somewhere.

3.1)CB spending is very bad aswell. 1st your DS was at pull, and then you just constantly spending embers. at your 2nd DS you only cast 2 buffed.

And yeah, it's Mythic, so there are probably cats pouncing around and more stuff to happen. Amount of your Havocs is pretty much the same as your burst pot count. Zero.

You was absolutely carried this fight. Got to work on your gameplay hard.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

And somebody, tell me what is good opener for Destro. People need to know.

Hope that helps.

Good luck!

Edited January 28, 2015 by Paracel

[Thalann 0]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gqT7FQY3NJdxZvRL

 

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/tichondrius/Talcourt/simple

 

 

What am I doing wrong??!! I thought I was all ready with this spec and then I go and post these horrible numbers. Any insight would be nice, 

[Middari 0]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gqT7FQY3NJdxZvRL

 

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/tichondrius/Talcourt/simple

 

 

What am I doing wrong??!! I thought I was all ready with this spec and then I go and post these horrible numbers. Any insight would be nice, 

 

 

You are not lining up any of your cool-downs with anything... Dark soul usage all over the place. Trinket procs not lined up with anything... random potion with no dark soul/meta usage. Your opener is completely wrong. On Koragh for example, your first demonbolt isn't cast until 40 seconds into the fight. 

 

I would recommend re-reading the guide because the mistakes you are making are clearly explained in it.

 

Constructively, dark soul should be used for dumping demonbolt. The reason we run Glyph of Dark Soul as Demo is so that Dark Soul is available for every demonbolt dump. 

 

[EDIT}Also, I only see a Doomguard used on a few of your kills. This should be used every single fight during heroism, with the exception possibly being Tectus where you may want to drop an infernal on the motes if you double pop shards.

Edited January 28, 2015 by Middari