Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
Uthedicia

How to handle healing assignments

9 posts in this topic

Hello, Icy Veins and if you guys decide to read this and help a guy out, thanks in advance. I have a question about a raid leader's decision on healing assignments. Our ten man raid group has three healers... myself (holy paladin), her (restoration shaman), and a mistweaver monk. Normally, I would and continue to just heal tanks and a few select people (self included) and it works out okay... but after reading on IV where holy paladins and their strengths lie in terms of raid healing, I suddenly feel confused. Am I being put in the right place or would it be better to try and convince her that I should probably be raid healing or back off of tank healing?

Not trying to sound like I don't have a clue, I'm just looking for a direction to go.

PS: If I'm not in the right thread, please tell me.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Paladins are very versatile. they can accomplish a variety of roles when needed. I have made one post a long time ago (that has been buried in IV) that might help awnser this questions.

Post about the 2 ways paladins can heal: (sorry logs are expired now!) http://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/1335-holy-pve-opinions/#entry14534

If you read the first 4 posts you can get a good idea about it as well, but the specific post i mentioned in the link (number 2) should suffice.

post about my thoughts on healing assignments: http://www.icy-veins...eals/#entry4633

In short: Paladins can do either extremely well, though they can single target heal better than others.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Our 10 man group has no set healing assignments, and it threw me off at first, but it's clear that in this tier, it's the right way to go. Our Blood DK provides almost 50% of the healing he takes in. If we had our Paladin doing nothing but single-target chain casting on him, he would just be overhealing his ass off and wasting his mana. Instead, he adapts to the situation and uses the right ability at the right time to heal the correct number of targets. That's not to say he never overheals - our Druid overheals a lot less - but he never runs out of mana and we can always depend on his healing when it counts.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not that my experience has ever got past social raising and progression but it's rare we make full on set assignments for healing. The majority of fights we have specific groups or targets we are mainly responsible for, but like Krazy said most heals are so versatile now that you should just react to the situation not anything pre designed. Ofc you can still have it that you are responsible for the MT in terms of healing prio and CD usage, but more loose healing assignments have worked for me in the past.

Plus I find it a bit more enjoyable just react to the situation rather than solo target all the time etc

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think that a lot of people misinterpret healing assignments. To me "assignment" means "who you need to heal as a priority". This means that if your assignment is fine, you can do whatever you like / heal whoever needs it. Once your assignments dip, get them first and then everything else. This can have distinct advantages in some situations and I think that it's a tool that all healers have to be comfortable with for when the need arises.

However, in ToT I've seen few fights that really need it. It might have worked on Council if that fight was a bit harder on the healing.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

the only problem I've been having is with our Paper Warrior Tank T_T

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My old guild actually did have healing assigns for the tank on Council because they insisted on not swapping Frost King. Nothing like a tank that can't mitigate...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My old guild actually did have healing assigns for the tank on Council because they insisted on not swapping Frost King. Nothing like a tank that can't mitigate...

We don't swap Frost King either, but I'm a Druid. At worst I get stunned twice an encounter, and I've gone entire pulls without getting stunned at all.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In the beginning Pallies were always tank healers, so it's kinda stuck in people's mind, especially those that have been playing since vanilla. Certain classes are just more commonly used for specific healing assignments, for example, druids and shamans are better at raid healing than tank healing, that's not to say that they can't do it, but their spells and cooldowns are geared more towards AoE healing. So sometimes it's not about whether or not you can raid heal, but more about the fact that you're the best qualified for tank healing with the better CDs in case of an "oh shit" moment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Similar Content

    • By weaverk
      Hi all, 
      here is the thing, my MW (Sitaki) and i are in a bad place - i have tried a lot of strategies, gearing etc but i do not really feel i 'get it' - i am oom quickly in fights (both my trinks are chosen for mana regen), and in general i do not feel good about my heals in raids (M+ is not my focus)
      Approach/rotation - to use vivify as my main spell, essence font either just before a movement phase when i cant heal, or when large number of the raid is missing health, enveloping mists on low tanks, followed by either artifact or vivify spam to get them up. i do have a bad habit to ignore artifact because of slow cast time, so i do hit 12 stacks quite often (and therefore waste some charges i know). i try to have a renewing mist running, but i could probably do better. i dont try fistweaving. i have noticed in fights where i can ignore tanks more, my heals and mana usage are generally better
      Legendaries - i have belt, legs, shoulders and tank chest i use belt and legs atm (because legs are supposed to be very strong and i need to use legs or shoulder slot for 4piece tier
      Consumables - crit food, int flask, prolonged power for pre-pot and channeled mana pot in fight
      Gearing -generally my plan is the 2 mana trinks,  use 2 legendaries and try to maintain 4-piece, switching  the others in desperation when i get depressed with my healing (i have a bagful of gear, and can change to re-align  stats if needed).
      Armory - http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/draenor/sitaki/advanced
      Logs - these are my latest, there are a lot more uploaded on warcraftlogs (my rotations on mythic wipes were done knowing we would wipe before i could oom! hc ones after should be good tho) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZFXHWRAkY3fcvKhN/
      TLDR: my MW makes me sad, help me love it again please, any further info needed please feel to ask ^^
       
      Cheers, 
      Sitaki
       
       
      ---- Update
      just noticed i am wearing cloak with no ench/gem, its new - i would probably put int ench and a crit gem 
       
       
       
       
    • By Pain
      Hello guys i would like to share my weakauras for each healing class, hope you like it ;)
      *Since the copy code gave issue's updated it to wago links for easy copying*
      ____________________________________________________________________________________________________
      New to Weakauras ?
      You can download it on this page :
      https://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/weakauras-2
      When ingame type /wa to open the control panel of weakaura. Select "import" Copy - paste the code of which you can find down below A screen will popup and select the import button on it. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________
      Updated :
      11-02-17 : Improved Shaman Healing tool.
      25-02-17 : Improved Paladin Healing tool.
      ____________________________________________________________________________________________________
      Shaman Druid Paladin Priest Monk *not yet* ____________________________________________________________________________________________________
      Shaman 
      We will start of with the shaman :
      Resto Shaman - Healing Tool

      Import string :  https://wago.io/4yn3hs9KM
      ____________________________________________________________________________________________________
      Resto Shaman - Cooldowns

      Import string : https://wago.io/VJm5cicKM
      ____________________________________________________________________________________________________
      Resto Shaman - Usable cooldowns

      Import string :  https://wago.io/EJcuns5Kz
      ____________________________________________________________________________________________________
      Druid 
      Druid - Healing Tool

      Import string :  https://wago.io/VkLqhs5tG
      ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

      Druid - Cooldowns

      Import string : https://wago.io/NkXd5octG
      ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

      Paladin
      Paladin - Healing tool

      Import string : https://wago.io/VyuEFj9Yf
      ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

      Paladin - Cooldowns

      Import string : https://wago.io/4k3EqiqtM
      ____________________________________________________________________________________________________
       
      Priest
      Holy Priest - Healing Tool

      Import string :  https://wago.io/4y2JojcYM
      ____________________________________________________________________________________________________
      Holy Priest - Cooldowns

      Import string :  https://wago.io/VkRaio5Yz
      ____________________________________________________________________________________________________
      Holy Priest - Holy Word Tracker *Additional*

      Import string : https://wago.io/V11doicYM
      ____________________________________________________________________________________________________
      Holy Priest - Trail of light Talent Tracker *Additional*

      Import string :  https://wago.io/EyclhaZuZ
      ____________________________________________________________________________________________________
      Disc Priest - Healing Tool

      Import string :  https://wago.io/NJm2ci9FG
      ____________________________________________________________________________________________________
       
       
    • By Flenidalap
      Raid Schedule:
      Tues-Thurs, 7:30pm-11:30pm PST
      About our Guild:
      Roadrunners formed at the start of Wrath. Raiding on a short schedule(3 days), we are able to stay competitive by making effective use of our raid time. Loot is handled fairly with a loot council. We aim for a raiding roster of 25 players who are able to maintain a high level of play and attendance. We are making a concerted effort to push our rank into the top 100 US for Legion. We are looking for progression minded players who want to raid on a shorter schedule.
      Our Raiders:
      Roadrunners is full of mature players who love to play WoW. They have a great understanding of the game/class mechanics and are always willing to help new recruits out. Active alts are always encouraged and we even have a few alt raids that run every week. Many of our players are very avid gamers and play other games as well.
      About our Server:
      Kil'jaeden has been around since Vanilla and has always been a high population server. The server is always busy with an active trade chat and auction house. Pug groups for raids and rbgs are constantly forming.
      Applying:
      If you want to apply with Roadrunners please visit rrkj.enjin.com and follow the Application guidelines and template.
      Trial Expectations:
      If you are accepted for trial you are expected to be in guild and ready to raid by the next reset. Each player is expected to have their own source of food/flasks. Trial periods typically last 2-4 weeks, during which you will receive plenty of raid time so that your play can be evaluated. We expect you have a working mic and are able to communicate clearly should something happen during an encounter. Being able to take constructive criticism is a must. We are looking for progression minded players who want to raid on a shorter schedule. Class knowledge and prior raid experience is a huge plus.
      Questions:
      If you have any questions about joining our guild feel free to pop on over to our server and ask us. Most raiding members will be able to answer your questions or direct you to someone online who can. Our guild members and officers are always happy to speak to you, so feel free to add one of our wonderful and knowledgeable officers, Cudlebumkins (doggysaywhat#1288), Falaenx (Falaenx#1333), and Hersheys (Hersheys#1791). Thank you for taking your time to consider our guild.
    • By Stormravyn
      Hey guys, need a hand here please. I have healed off and on for years with one or the other of several Resto Druids I have. I also frequently (prior to Legion) heal with a Disc Priest (until Legion, now she is parked), a Mistweaver Monk (not 110 yet) and a couple of Resto Shamans (also not 110 yet).
      I am a really good but not exceptional healer, though I am the strongest healer in the guild atm on most fights, not all. I am disabled, so I can't spend as much time online as I would like, so any help would be much appreciated.
      My question is this: I use askmrrobot.com, icy veins and in game I also use Pawn. ALL of them disagree on stat weights and it is confusing me to tears! I was stacking mastery, now ask mr robot says crit > mastery on raid healing: auto. Mastery > Crit on raid healing: max heal. Crit > Mastery on Raid healing: Spread healing. And of course it all changes again for Mythic+. As my time online is VERY limited, I have very little gold and cannot afford to even buy a lot of the high end enchants and gems, etc, let alone change everything around repeatedly. Pawn shows one thing to be an upgrade, but even with the new 7.1.5 patch, askmrrobot will make me leave an 865 trinket with a great bonus on it in my bags in favor of an 835 trinket just because it has a socket and matches THEIR stat weights. Then I come here, which I used to use exclusively and they say, and I quote,
      1.1. Raid Healing
      Intellect; Haste; Critical Strike; Mastery; Versatility. 1.2. Tank / Mythic+ Healing
      Intellect; Haste; Mastery; Critical Strike; Versatility.  
      So my question is this, and I will follow with my current armory and healing style. WHAT stat weights do I go for and since I really truly SUCK at math and have NO clue how to change stat weights in Pawn or askmrrobot either one, can someone walk me through how to and what they should read to reflect the proper weights, so I can trust them and they agree please? I am 50 years old and this sim stuff is tough for me; I'm sorry. It's confusing for a beginner to sims and stat weights and I don't understand it or how to get the numbers I want it to reflect or what they should even be. Or how to make conversions... I am lost. My guild is small and we are STILL struggling with Heroic EN; can't get past Ursoc atm; he's a real bear... pun intended.  and Nighthold is a mess. Skorpyron is still kicking our butts there, and Helya in ToV... all on normal except for EN. I want to raid, I want to progress, and I want to improve my healing. It likely won't happen in this guild, not because we are bad, but because we do not have dedicated raiders every week. We end up pulling in far too many pugs, have a ridiculously long wipe recovery (stupid long, like 15 friggin' minutes each wipe) and it is just too casual to progress far, but some of us would like to and I want to do my part as well as be able to perhaps join some premade's and be a viable pick. Unless I do, my gear will not get better, as I have run EN normal a hundred times it seems, and there are no upgrades there.
      I do not typically heal Mythic+'s anymore, because it seems MOST of the pugs I get into are horribad and I can't heal when interrupts don't happen, focusing down the right mobs first does not happen, positioning does not happen and no one seems to know the strats. Sometimes it is just a BAD tank. I do not have confidence in my heals because of some awful runs, and so I just don't go. We have an awesome Pally tank I trust to tank them, but he is seldom on and the guild really doesn't run much of anything together. So I have no set group to run with that I trust.
      Atm my healing style is to always keep up two rejuvs on both tanks as well as lifebloom on the one currently taking threat and most damage, as well as Efflorescence of course, all while blanketing the raid with HoTs, Wild Growth and Flourish/artifact weapon talent. I also, of course, hit a tank taking or preparing to take, a lot of damage with Cenarion Ward and Ironbark. I really hate raid healing and much prefer tank healing, but I heal what needs to be healed while focusing as much as I can on tanks. I can't tell you our raid make-up as we have no set group; too much pugging. I will say that we usually always have two Resto Druids, and a Disc Priest, and sometimes we have our Shaman switch to heals or our Holy Paladin will make a rare appearance, or our Paladin tank will switch to heals. That is our base makeup, subject to no shows and pugs of course. 
      Here is my armory; please be gentle lol.  http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/ghostlands/Scamper/simple
      I realize I have a lot of gems and enchants I need, and will start working on that as gold allows, and when I know WHAT to get! I will mention that I talked to a Resto Druid friend of mine from another server, Tsoula, who heals mythic raids and he said to pretty much balance haste crit and mastery as much as possible without worrying too much until I can get the cloak of shame from Kara, and the two set bonus, all of which require high crit, and then switch to stacking crit. Is he right?
      I apologize for the length of this post and welsome all feedback, but please be kind. I run into enough unkind people in game. Thanks <3
    • By Pandacho
      I'm creating this stand alone thread with my UI so it would be easier to maintain and update the strings here, rather than in two different guides (ElvUI & VuhDo) that already grew too big for easy updates.
      My UI looks like this:

       
      Disc Priest UI:
      All the frames except of the raid ones are ElvUI, raid frames are Vuhdo.
      The shaman hub in the middle is Sweetsour's Shaman Auras.
      ElvUI profile:
      Pastebin / WAGO
       
      All the VuhDo profiles were updated on 03/Feb/17.
       
      If you want to see my spell and HoT assignments, you have to import Key Layouts as well.
       
      VuhDo profile Resto Druid (Raid):
      WAGO
      VuhDo profile Resto Druid (5-man):
      WAGO
      VuhDo Resto Druid Key Layouts:
      Raid / 5-man
       
      VuhDo profile Resto Shaman (Raid):
      WAGO
      VuhDo profile Resto Shaman (5-man):
      WAGO
      VuhDo Resto Shaman Key Layouts:
      Raid / 5-man
       
      WeakAuras:
      Druid:
      Cenarion Ward / Clearcasting proc / Efflorescence is missing / Lifebloom is missing / Artifact ability / Flourish / Ironbark / SotF buff is up / Swiftmend / Wild Growth 
      And this is a mana bar that is shown no matter in what form you are. I had a serious problem to track my mana when drinking or running in cat form because the mana bar transforms into the energy one. This aura fixed the issue.
      This is a WeakAura that adds a Spectral Bear model while Frenzied Regeneration is up. I wrote a macro to switch into a bear form and use FR and added it to a Mouse Wheel Up in VuhDo.
      Macro:
      #showtooltip Frenzied Regeneration
      /castsequence [@player] reset=16 Bear Form, Frenzied Regeneration
       
      General:
      T19 raid awareness (I didn't write this set)
      Heroism (all kinds)
      Raid Healing CDs bar
       
      UI video 5-man Resto Shaman:
       
      UI video raid Resto Shaman:
       
      UI video raid Resto Druid: