Marksmanship Hunter 7.3

[Guest elbe]

@Svarogg: According to sims in the guide, it would be troll: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/marksmanship-hunter-pve-dps-simulations

And it fits that Azor plays a troll himself.

@fury worth it: BiS trinkets from NH are CoF and fury. In your case, the item lvl difference should put fury in the 1st place regardless of the fight (single/multi target), but you would have to sim it yourself to be sure. Also note that the graphic in the guide only shows sims for single target!

@Sonstron: I guess quick shot is difficult to sim because it reduces a kind of long CD - so if you change a piece to get more reduction, the important question is whether this plus in reduction allows you to use true shot an additional time in a certain boss fight. This in turn depends on the number of shots you can fire (=chance on reducing CD on true shot) which depends on your movement/activity/downtimes due to stuns, mechanics etc etc. So it is hard to sim. (+Maybe other points that I did not think about but Azor did)

In general, the +10 ilvls should beat the quick shot relic.

[Guest Huemaster]

Extremely simple. If the fight lasts enough for you to squeeze in an extra trueshot thanks to those 8*x secs where x is the times you normally use trueshot in the fight then it's worth it. If not, then it's not. And you would have to have a stable raid team and look at your kill times in the logs teo decide, as pug kill times can vary a ton.

[Valks 2,373]

On 3/18/2017 at 2:59 AM, Guest Toyman said:

I guess it goes wihout saying I should be using ullrs.  But which is the best of the remaining 3 in general?

Checking the simulations page answers any legendary questions. 

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On 3/22/2017 at 9:33 PM, Guest Mr curious said:

I can't make up my mind! I currently have a life artifact relic with quickshot (itemlvl 885, +53 itemlvls) but I also have a life artifact relic with bursting shot (itemlvl 895, +56itemlvls). Which one should i choose? I have boots of ullr's, convergence of fates trinket and 4 set pcs if that makes the decision easier for you guys?

Please check the simulations page for artifact relic comparison. It will likely be the higher item level one.

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On 3/26/2017 at 2:43 PM, Guest fury worth it? said:

why is fury of the burning sky a recommended trinket when it is outperformed by bloodthirsty instinct?

I have an 890 fury and a 865 instinct and i do not understand which of the 2 i should be using

It is a Nighthold BiS list, meaning it only shows gear that drops in NH.

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16 hours ago, Guest Sonstron said:

So what would be the Right Relic choose?

If you can guarantee kill times and you are certain you are gaining an extra trueshot, use the TS relic. If not, item level is king. Majority of the time, the higher item level relic will win in this comparison, since there are too many variables to guarantee an extra use.

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7 hours ago, Guest elbe said:

In general, the +10 ilvls should beat the quick shot relic.

Thanks for helping to answer!

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1 hour ago, Guest Huemaster said:

Extremely simple. If the fight lasts enough for you to squeeze in an extra trueshot thanks to those 8*x secs where x is the times you normally use trueshot in the fight then it's worth it. If not, then it's not. And you would have to have a stable raid team and look at your kill times in the logs teo decide, as pug kill times can vary a ton.

Exactly, thanks for helping to answer :)

[Valks 2,373]

We are currently in the process of updating our guides in preparation for the release of 7.2 - please understand that we will not be answering questions in this section about "What is better for 7.2?" prior to the patch release, since all the information will be available when the patch goes live. Please be patient and thanks for waiting!

[Guest Sonstron]

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If you can guarantee kill times and you are certain you are gaining an extra trueshot, use the TS relic. If not, item level is king. Majority of the time, the higher item level relic will win in this comparison, since there are too many variables to guarantee an extra use.

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In general, the +10 ilvls should beat the quick shot relic.

Thanks for the answers! :)

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26 minutes ago, Guest Sonstron said:

Thanks for the answers! :)

Glad to have helped :)

[Azrael 0]

Thank you very for this wonderful guide. 

If I have the legendary belt, how to AOE with trueshot buff? Multi-shot→Marked shot repeat until the end of the Trueshot，or I should use the Aimed shot when get the 20 times belt buff？

With pure single target, Should I use Multi-shot instead of Arcane shot to get the 10% Aimed shot damage buff?

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4 hours ago, Azrael said:

Thank you very for this wonderful guide. 

The info in the legendary section still says the same with the changes - it should answer your questions:

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This has no DPS effect on single-target unless you are using Sidewinders which is no longer recommended, but it is very powerful in AoE scenarios where you can stack the buff up and then fire an extremely high-damage Aimed Shot consistently. For most fights in the Nighthold, it has very high potential and is the best legendary alongside the boots below. It does not change your rotation very much, you should of course try and build as many stacks as possible before using Aimed Shot if you are using it (on multiple targets), but you should not cap Focus to achieve this goal, as you would be losing more Aimed Shots than you gain in damage.

It changes nothing on ST, on AoE you'll do your normal rotation and then burn the stacks on a big AS.

[Awesomeposum 0]

Has anyone noticed that Sidewinders is bugged? it looks like it uses both charges at once, but then they come off cooldown per charge. I see it's not recommended, I just wondered if it's happening to others.

[Guest Docimodo]

Suggested macro for if using Sentinel

#showtooltip Sentinel
/cast [@cursor] Sentinel

[Guest Unerring Arrows]

For the relics Unerring Arrows scores very high, However it is nerfed to 4 secs instead of 10 secs. Will the list be updated accordingly?

[Azrael 0]

On 2017/3/29 at 9:29 PM, Blainie said:

The info in the legendary section still says the same with the changes - it should answer your questions:

It changes nothing on ST, on AoE you'll do your normal rotation and then burn the stacks on a big AS.

Thank you very much for your answers.

But I still have several questions about how to aoe with trueshot buff. The trueshot causes arcane shot, multi shot to always apply hunter's mark, if without the legendary belt, I think the memobuild is the best choice for aoe. During the trueshot the aoe rotation should be multi shot→marked shot→piercing shot→multi shot→explosive shot→marked shot, then do multi shot and marked shot repeat until trueshot buff is end(Am I right?).

 If I have the legendary belt, should I switch the talents to patient sniper and trick shot on aoe? And how to aoe when with the trueshot buff in this situation?

[Guest Mobsi]

The order of the Artifact Progression for Patch 7.2 seems wrong or i didnt understand it.
 

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On 4/1/2017 at 0:12 AM, Awesomeposum said:

Has anyone noticed that Sidewinders is bugged? it looks like it uses both charges at once, but then they come off cooldown per charge. I see it's not recommended, I just wondered if it's happening to others.

Not happening for me - just tested it. Are you still having this issue?

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On 4/2/2017 at 6:35 PM, Guest Docimodo said:

Suggested macro for if using Sentinel

#showtooltip Sentinel
/cast [@cursor] Sentinel

Thanks for sharing! :)

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On 4/3/2017 at 7:22 AM, Guest Unerring Arrows said:

For the relics Unerring Arrows scores very high, However it is nerfed to 4 secs instead of 10 secs. Will the list be updated accordingly?

I don't believe any change is required currently, despite the nerf. 

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On 4/10/2017 at 5:46 AM, Guest Mobsi said:

The order of the Artifact Progression for Patch 7.2 seems wrong or i didnt understand it.

What do you feel is wrong?

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On 4/3/2017 at 10:31 AM, Azrael said:

But I still have several questions about how to aoe with trueshot buff. The trueshot causes arcane shot, multi shot to always apply hunter's mark, if without the legendary belt, I think the memobuild is the best choice for aoe. During the trueshot the aoe rotation should be multi shot→marked shot→piercing shot→multi shot→explosive shot→marked shot, then do multi shot and marked shot repeat until trueshot buff is end(Am I right?).

Basically, yeah. Don't stick to a fixed thing, but that's the general priority of it.

On 4/3/2017 at 10:31 AM, Azrael said:

If I have the legendary belt, should I switch the talents to patient sniper and trick shot on aoe? And how to aoe when with the trueshot buff in this situation?

Yes, definitely. It is extremely strong with Trick Shot. It won't change the actual rotation at all. You'll follow the same priority, stacking the buff when you can and using the more powerful AS in the same priority.

[Guest Lagboot]

Are you guys going to update the Trinket page to reflect 880+ gear from Nethershard vendor? It appears the ones listed are way out of date and actually "bad" for the spec. For example I got a 910 Nightmare Thorn- 2,264 Agi & 1,226 Mast with a socket. Not in list. I also rng'd a 880 version of the Unstable Arcanocrystal which means there is up to a 920 version of it. It would seem that the Trinkets with Agility, Mastery & a socket are better than any trinket with Agility only and a passive damage ability.

Also, can you include the new crafted Legendary gloves in the Legendary list (940 Vigilance Perch with 3 sockets) They seem to beat the MK2 legendary gloves in stats and the amount of Mastery you gain negates having the MK2 gloves for some builds. Just pointing out they are as good or better.

Lastly, Thanks for including the Sidewinder part at the end on the rotation page, but can you still include the Pawn info and rotation for those who still find it viable and are good at it. I understand the page is geared to the FOM builds, but sidewinders build can pull the same dps as the other 2 and is the best AOE & single target combined spec as in it does both well if you know how to use Sidewinders and Marked shot efficiently.

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14 hours ago, Guest Lagboot said:

Are you guys going to update the Trinket page to reflect 880+ gear from Nethershard vendor? It appears the ones listed are way out of date and actually "bad" for the spec. For example I got a 910 Nightmare Thorn- 2,264 Agi & 1,226 Mast with a socket. Not in list.

I'm not really sure what you mean by this? This is just a Mastery stat stick, which is already in the sim graph in 5th place. I understand that it has a socket, but we can't sim every single item level with a socket also. It's just not possible from a time invested vs. payoff perspective. 

14 hours ago, Guest Lagboot said:

I also rng'd a 880 version of the Unstable Arcanocrystal which means there is up to a 920 version of it.

This is already included in the sim graph.

14 hours ago, Guest Lagboot said:

Also, can you include the new crafted Legendary gloves in the Legendary list (940 Vigilance Perch with 3 sockets) They seem to beat the MK2 legendary gloves in stats and the amount of Mastery you gain negates having the MK2 gloves for some builds. Just pointing out they are as good or better.

They are just a stat stick though. You would sim them exactly as you would a normal upgrade of gloves, since they provide absolutely no difference in the rotation/use of abilities. I'll ask Azor to add them, but I would heavily recommend simming them rather than relying on the rankings, since it will depend on your gear.

14 hours ago, Guest Lagboot said:

Lastly, Thanks for including the Sidewinder part at the end on the rotation page, but can you still include the Pawn info and rotation for those who still find it viable and are good at it. I understand the page is geared to the FOM builds, but sidewinders build can pull the same dps as the other 2 and is the best AOE & single target combined spec as in it does both well if you know how to use Sidewinders and Marked shot efficiently.

Made a note asking for it. I can't guarantee it though, since maintaining 3 builds for 1 spec can make everything a lot more difficult, as well as more cluttered. Will see what Azor says.