Assassination Rogue 7.3

[Valks 2,407]

2 hours ago, Guest Giaxi said:

Guys, awesome post, thanks for the hard work!

I just have one issue - can you pls position Will of Valeera in your Legendaries list ? 

There is no DPS value for this - you should just treat it as you would a normal piece of gear and sim/calculate the weight of the stat budget. It's basically just a very high budget piece of gear, rather than having a difficult effect to calculate. 

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1 hour ago, Guest Shasya said:

As always, it's an awesome guide which helped me a lot in the past! Thanks!

Going to tag @Carrn - he'll be able to help out with this a lot more than me.

[Carrn 284]

1 hour ago, Blainie said:

Going to tag @Carrn - he'll be able to help out with this a lot more than me.

On a related note, is there a way to change notification settings to only show 1 per thread? For example, I get 1 when there's a new post, and another when you tag me. It's not a big deal, I just have a mild panic attack when I see 4 notifications, as if something has blown up in the few hours I was asleep :P

3 hours ago, Guest Shasya said:

As always, it's an awesome guide which helped me a lot in the past! Thanks!

But now i have some question about the sin and the rog's spec.
So there is a lot of buffs and nerfs, and i cant decide which rog spec could be the best. im not raiding competetive, yet, but i want, and dont know which spec should i use. (which one can dealt the most dps.) 
And with the sin, which talent choice is the best? So there is a poison theme "spec and a bleed "spec" but their stat prior is so different.
Now, i have a lot of mastery, but if the bleed spec is bettern, than i should get a lot of versa-crit? Which r the differencies and pros and cons between them? Which one is better get gear for?
Sorry for the long post and questioning, i know we are at the start of the new patch, but i want to be focused ;)
Keep up the good work guys, whishes the best for all of you!

If you're just beginning to start raiding, you should play whichever spec you enjoy the most. They are all extremely close in terms of damage output,; playing one that you enjoy and keeps you focused will lead to you investing more time into playing the spec, becoming more comfortable, and improving at a faster rate.

As for the Poison vs Bleed debate, 7.2.5 will be interesting. I fully expect them both to be viable - if you currently have high Mastery coming from an Agonizing Poison build, I suspect that you'll still do better without Exsanguinate. The tier 20 set bonuses, however, lend themselves quite strongly towards a bleed oriented spec, with a significant cooldown reduction on Garrote which will help Exsanguinate be even more competitive.

I expect you'll be able to play either one

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9 hours ago, Carrn said:

On a related note, is there a way to change notification settings to only show 1 per thread? For example, I get 1 when there's a new post, and another when you tag me. It's not a big deal, I just have a mild panic attack when I see 4 notifications, as if something has blown up in the few hours I was asleep :P

You'd have to disable one or the other, but then you'd miss it when there's only one, so not really for now :(

Thanks for helping with the comment though!

[Carrn 284]

16 hours ago, Blainie said:

You'd have to disable one or the other, but then you'd miss it when there's only one, so not really for now :(

Thanks for helping with the comment though!

Yeah I figured. Guess I'll just deal with the mild heart attack once in a while haha

[rackoon 0]

Theres so little info for when to use Toxic Blade I believe this needs to be explain more.

 

Edit: You guys don't even mention it in the rotation section.

Edited June 15, 2017 by rackoon

[Carrn 284]

1 hour ago, rackoon said:

Theres so little info for when to use Toxic Blade I believe this needs to be explain more.

 

Edit: You guys don't even mention it in the rotation section.

The guides are still being updated, I'm sure @Furty is working on them as quickly as he can

[Valks 2,407]

On 6/15/2017 at 4:33 PM, rackoon said:

Theres so little info for when to use Toxic Blade I believe this needs to be explain more.

Will ask him to add it to the rotations section. I believe you essentially max combo points, pop TB, then push for as many envenoms as possible. 

[Guest Elco]

I noticed in the relic section, that vendetta is listed as best, whereas before it was usually only the best, if you had boots and were only good with 1 or 2 of the relics.

Is this still the case or is having all 3 relics for vendetta best?

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2 hours ago, Guest Elco said:

I noticed in the relic section, that vendetta is listed as best, whereas before it was usually only the best, if you had boots and were only good with 1 or 2 of the relics.

Is this still the case or is having all 3 relics for vendetta best?

I believe you can run 3 vendetta relics, but you need to beware of item level upgrades too. AFAIK the best way to find out is to sim your character to ensure that a simple item level boost won't perform better.

[Freshkope 0]

Would it be safe to say you would need +30 ilvls on Vial of Ceaseless Toxins for it to be an upgrade over convergence of fates?  Or is it just 935+, asking for a friend who doesn't own a mythic Convergence :P.

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On 6/20/2017 at 1:09 AM, Freshkope said:

Would it be safe to say you would need +30 ilvls on Vial of Ceaseless Toxins for it to be an upgrade over convergence of fates?  Or is it just 935+, asking for a friend who doesn't own a mythic Convergence :P.

930 Toxins is better than 900 CoF.

At higher item levels the gap closes somewhat. A 955 Toxins is about the same as a 945 CoF.

[Guest Titecoukine]

Hi guys, i have 2 vendetta relics 895, and i got a new one 910 but with a shitty bonus, is this better to keep the vendetta 895 or put the 910? i don't know if we still have to keep our vendetta relics no matter the ilvl

[Guest Titecoukine]

Sprint relic :D

[Vdeku 3]

1 hour ago, Guest Titecoukine said:

Sprint relic :D

i've got cloak of shadow relic. 920.-  and i use a vendetta relic 890 instead. 

same question D: 

[Carrn 284]

3 hours ago, Guest Titecoukine said:

Sprint relic :D

 

2 hours ago, Vdeku said:

i've got cloak of shadow relic. 920.-  and i use a vendetta relic 890 instead. 

same question D: 

Usually I would say Sim it, but given that your current relics provide absolutely no DPS increase, I feel relatively confident recommending the Vendetta ones

Keep in mind that this thread is for comments that relate to the guide, such as suggestions for improvements or changes to it. If you have questions or comments about your Rogue, or just want to complain about Warlocks, you're welcome to come hang out over on the Rogue Forums

[Leprotto 0]

On 19/6/2017 at 1:24 PM, Blainie said:

Will ask him to add it to the rotations section. I believe you essentially max combo points, pop TB, then push for as many envenoms as possible. 

push as many envenoms as possible regardless the CP or is always 4+ envenoms?

it is reccomended to pool before TB?

[Vdeku 3]

Yo! hello Furty ! i have questions ha ha

opening:

1. Apply  Garrote. 
2. Cast  Mutilate.
3. Apply  Rupture.
4. Cast  Mutilate.
5. Activate  Vendetta.
6. Cast  Mutilate.
7. Cast  Toxic Blade.
8. Cast  Envenom.
9. Cast  Kingsbane.
10. Cast  Mutilate to 5 Combo Points and pool.
11. Activate  Vanish.
12. Cast  Envenom.
13. Cast  Mutilate.
14. Cast  Envenom.

if i have leg shoulders,  It would be something like this? :
1.garrote , 2.mut , 3.rupture , 4.mut , 5.vendetta , (4 combo points there) , 6. KB (yes,  overcap combopoints  :'(  ) , 7.vanish , 
8. envenom , 9.mut , 10.TB  , 11.full buffed envenom , 12.mut , 13. 4cb envenom.
 

or u have another sugestion ? 

 

[Guest Ischadie]

I noticed that Draught of Souls is removed from the trinket list, but still mentioned in the blurb for the Mantle of the Master Assassin. Is it worth continuing to use as long as I have Mantle equipped? 

[Valks 2,407]

On 6/27/2017 at 2:24 PM, Leprotto said:

push as many envenoms as possible regardless the CP or is always 4+ envenoms?

it is reccomended to pool before TB?

Always 4+ and yeah.

[Valks 2,407]

On 6/28/2017 at 4:44 PM, Vdeku said:

or u have another sugestion ?

Why are you using TB after Kingsbane? You are missing out on buffing the damage there.

[Valks 2,407]

37 minutes ago, Guest Ischadie said:

I noticed that Draught of Souls is removed from the trinket list, but still mentioned in the blurb for the Mantle of the Master Assassin. Is it worth continuing to use as long as I have Mantle equipped? 

Not if you have a better trinket available, no.

[Shangrila 0]

I don't feel that thugee makes a difference anymore when you have t-20 2 set the bonus reduces the garrote cool-down to only three seconds. Which isn't that long at all so now use one of the other talents for more damage output.

Edited July 16, 2017 by Shangrila

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On 16/07/2017 at 5:08 AM, Shangrila said:

I don't feel that thugee makes a difference anymore when you have t-20 2 set the bonus reduces the garrote cool-down to only three seconds. Which isn't that long at all so now use one of the other talents for more damage output.

Realistically, the other 2 talents are just as useless, unless you can take advantage of a stunnable add - Thugee can still work well where there are smaller adds that die incredibly quickly or if you, as many might not, don't have the T20 set bonus.

[Guest iHaveDream]

On 02.07.2017 at 6:00 PM, Blainie said:

Why are you using TB after Kingsbane? You are missing out on buffing the damage there.

Did u mean, u are aiming to buff KB with TB, but only the last part of it (kinda 9 seconds of Kingsbane dot will be buffed by TB).

So my question is: Should i use  TB with KB (no matter how long KB's dot is on the target?)