T16 Warlock Style - Heroic & Mythic

[Zagam 1,983]

No, I reforge based on fights.  Seeing as how I was doing pure single target on Malkorok and tons of little single target burst, I pushed for more Haste to get more CB casts off while having to move frequently.  People who look at my armory like a Bible are crazy...I've preached over and over those stats make little difference.  For those who love Simcraft, I modeled myself at 20k Crit, 20k Mastery, and 20k Haste.  The DPS difference was 3k from the best to worst averaging around 320k.  I find it hilarious Simcraft models me at 320k on a Patchwerk fight but I score 350k on Heroic Malkorok.  Beating Simcraft....so fetch.

[Nytemare 2]

The biggest issue I'm seeing, and I'm looking at your Iron Juggernaut kill here, is your ability to line up procs.

 

You definitely need to be using Dark Soul on CD for this fight.  You have PBI, which means you are going to get a HUGE buff every 2 minutes with those 2 buffs combined.  The more you hold off on DS, the further apart these procs will be and the more chance you have of never seeing them proc together again.

 

It was almost an 8 minute fight for you and you have 5 synapse spring uses.  You can definitely get 7 and you should use them on CD so that every 2nd one lines up with DS.

 

Otherwise there is a part in the fight where you dip below 50k DPS.  I have to assume you got knocked back, so work on your positioning for the fight so that you get knocked into a wall.

 

Do you have addons that track your CD's?  That can really help if you're having trouble figuring out what's available and when.

 

Edit: Also, mastery > crit > haste is fine for Destruction. Zagam is constantly changing because he has stat ADD and he likes messing with people who treat his Armory like a Bible.

 

For addon I use extra CD to track all of them, I try to use SS minute it off cd, but I do make sure to use it with DSI and I have tried to use DSi on CD - for dip to 50K have no clue I use my portal so minute I get hit back I teleport back fast, we put our back towards cliffs. 

 

I did flex 3 and got Frenzied Crystal of Rage Plan to do Flex 1 try for a better PBI, and Flex 2 to see if I can  get flex KTT (if we can down shaman this Friday, might get a normal/warforged KTT (that would be cool), so if I get no better PBI or KTT do I want to use trinket I got over one of my LFR ones like over LFR PBI or KTT?

 

Reagarding Zag armory I was just trying to figure out if I might need more haste, and that could help-  have 7% haste unbuff right now.

Edited October 17, 2013 by Nytemare

[Omaric 246]

The Crystal of Rage, until they change it to do damage to the main target, is a flavor item.  Use it to kill old bosses with heavy AoE packs or something.  It's not good enough in SoO because there aren't any fights that have sustained, clumped AoE throughout the entire fight.  There are times when you can only hit 1 mob, and if it procs, the proc is worthless.

 

Otherwise, just practice watching your CD's better.  It's clear that there is definitely some work that can be done there.  A dip to 50k is more than losing 2 GCD's by teleporting and getting back into the action.  It basically means you came to an almost dead stop.

 

And my comment about Zag's armory was more of a joke than anything towards him.  :D

[Ilion 8]

Well, H Galakras went down pretty fast, nice fight for a destro lock.

[Nytemare 2]

so don't use FCoR even now when it gives more int over other 2x lfr? right now been only putting it on for trash pulls than going  back to the 2x LFR

 

Also should I just use Sac when any T5 talent can be used, and use IMP when GoSup is said? 

 

regardling 50K yeah I have no clue than, I play in ultra and always seeing everything in real time, so can't explain why it dip that low maybe bad RNG? yeah guess should macro SS in my filters, right now keep it macro into my burst which is DSI, SS, and GoServices back when I using that talent

Edited October 17, 2013 by Nytemare

[Twona 1]

H Thok, affliction or Demo? I'm leaning towards affliction.

[Omaric 246]

H Thok, affliction or Demo? I'm leaning towards affliction.

Whatever you're better at.

[Nytemare 2]

Just did Shman on flex no KTT upgrade, however I did get 78 procs of FCoR since they kept them close, did total of 2.36m 5.7% of my dps. for 78 procs I do't get why it did so little damage, sure it proc off incinerates, and even CB shouldn't that number be higher?

 

switch back to lfr KTT for general and had 42 multistrike procs for total of 2.13m - 4.2% of my dps. Did 51.20m damage and had dps of 187.6K - is that still 2 low for my gear? made sure to use DSI on CD expect when he was about to hit Zerker than I delay it - at end all procs happen so I got to get off 6SB full procs (both Int trinekts, Jade Spirit)

Edited October 17, 2013 by Nytemare

[mediocregatsby 18]

you should share your logs, but i believe you HIT with FCOR 78 times, not PROCCED. 1 proc = 1-5 hits, depending on how many targets exist. from looking at a lot of logs, a ~6% FCOR damage contribution is pretty much average on a SOO fight.

[Nytemare 2]

you should share your logs, but i believe you HIT with FCOR 78 times, not PROCCED. 1 proc = 1-5 hits, depending on how many targets exist. from looking at a lot of logs, a ~6% FCOR damage contribution is pretty much average on a SOO fight.

 

Can't share logs as I not accepted in my guide yet so I can't get the client for it, I use Skada and when I went to damage and mouse over it said 78hits so you most likely right, any ways if it does the same damage of Spell A to B,C,D,& E or in my case to Shman A & B so 1 CB on one = 2 CB total if it proc - shouldn't it still be higher than only 2.3m?

 

Just did Flex Immerseus no pbi upgrade so no pbi upgrade this week, 

 

also you say on Immerseus use Twilight Ward but it seems on work on puddles which you shouldn't be in, when puddles merge damage is frost he does according to the log so ward becomes useless here

Edited October 18, 2013 by Nytemare

[Nyanchan 2]

H Thok, affliction or Demo? I'm leaning towards affliction.

 

I think so too, since it uses shadow spells which r mostly dots, if he interrupts ur mg you can just spam fel fire immediately. Plus when he runs like crazy and u cant catch up at least u know ur dots r doin damage.

[Lockybalboa 618]

H Thok, affliction or Demo? I'm leaning towards affliction.

 

Aff. Demo makes life easy but the DPS is crap.

[Typecast 16]

Going for Galakras HC tonight, any cool tip to share?

Pretty much the same fight as normal except phase 2 hurts a lot more.

Use teleport to get around and to prevent fall damage. Abuse whatever spec you are playing (double Seed soulswaps, shadowburn sniping, mf+hf/ia). Phase 2 save defensive cooldowns for later in the fight when damage taken gets to be higher.

Edited October 18, 2013 by Typecast

[Soulzar 42]

Heroic KTT gave me 32% uptime on Toxic Power.  5.8% damage from Multistrike.  I am pleased.  However, nothing is more infuriating than starting to cast Chaos Bolt for a 10 stack of Black Blood mega nuclear strike only to have to move from something.  Damn is that frustrating.  I accidentally pressed my push-to-talk button during one of those incidents so now I'm referred to as the raging Warlock.  I raged a bit.  Well, a lot.  Nothing worse than having to move and give up 1,000,000+ damage.

 

Iron Jug, So much lost dmg to that stupid saw blade interrupting me on my 7 and 10 stacks...

[Zagam 1,983]

That's why you shouldn't play Destruction here.  Too many small movements and little knockbacks.  Affliction also lets DoTs roll while he's blasting you 100 yards away. 

[Zagam 1,983]

It's also why I NEED BINDINGS FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY.

[Nytemare 2]

Just tried the 3 tank try at the end, still can't beat shaman - we had our pally healer go tank - if I didn't need KTT trinket I would so come in on  my tank who can blow our healer turn tank out of the water in skill

 

maybe if I go demon I can tank long enough for tank stacks to fall off? only got to live for 30 sec could Glyph of Demon Hunting make me able to take Harm shaman for 30 secs?

Edited October 19, 2013 by Nytemare

[Zagam 1,983]

Just tried the 3 tank try at the end, still can't beat shaman - we had our pally healer go tank - if I didn't need KTT trinket I would so come in on  my tank who can blow our healer turn tank out of the water in skill

Your guild's success should ALWAYS come before the needs of you personally in terms of an item.  Just sayin...

[Nytemare 2]

Your guild's success should ALWAYS come before the needs of you personally in terms of an item.  Just sayin...

 

well my tank is just an alt and not even in the guild, belongs to another guild so yeah - it was a suggestion for them. I feel we should down this boss ages ago, and not be stuck on them

 

Didn't answer the question can I go Demo tank and live long enough for the other tanks stacks to fall?

Edited October 20, 2013 by Nytemare

[Lockybalboa 618]

 

Didn't answer the question can I go Demo tank and live long enough for the other tanks stacks to fall?

 

LFR, sure. Flex, maybe. Normal, if you have mad gear and good healers. Heroic, lolololololololololololololol...no.

[Kazistrasz 216]

Maybe the 3-tank thing is something you do in heroic. I don't know since I'm not there yet. But, I can say that in normal there's no reason to need three tanks when two works just fine. People use the third tank to keep the bosses split apart, yet we do that with two tanks and have no problems pew pewing extra hard.

[Lockybalboa 618]

Maybe the 3-tank thing is something you do in heroic. I don't know since I'm not there yet. But, I can say that in normal there's no reason to need three tanks when two works just fine. People use the third tank to keep the bosses split apart, yet we do that with two tanks and have no problems pew pewing extra hard.

 

 

Three tank is *almost* mandatory for heroic, even in 10 man. There is a point where you can out gear it and two tank burn but it's a really, really high DPS/HPS cap.

[Ilion 8]

well my tank is just an alt and not even in the guild, belongs to another guild so yeah - it was a suggestion for them. I feel we should down this boss ages ago, and not be stuck on them

 

Didn't answer the question can I go Demo tank and live long enough for the other tanks stacks to fall?

 

Nope, and you shouldn't. Everyone has to do their part, if they're failing they must fix it or be replaced, it's not a dps job to do a healer or a tank job, you can (and you should) support them, but NEVER ever do their jobs.

[Nyanchan 2]

So, we had a couple of attempts on thok, at first i thought affli would rule without a doubt but i'm kinda leaning towards destro now.

 

The havoc glyph works wonders on the jailer and the bats and the self healing helps a ton when running away from thok with burning rush. 

 

Then again we have only made it past the bats once, still gotta see.

 

Btw for the interrupts, when they get too fast you can spam incinerate till u get interrupted then cast a chaos bolt, they are on different schools so it seems to match the required time to cast it safely. (for some reason my timers are way off from the interrupts)

 

And also glyphing for unending resolve short cd helps when your stuff procs so that you can cast freely (or when the bats come and u gotta burn them asap).

[Vile 9]

I can run Affli on Thok nearly unhindered with a MG stopcasting macro. I don't see Destro working very well there at all, past 10~ stacks you can't fit in a Chaos Bolt at all and you should be going for 20~ stacks depending on your raids DPS. Also trying to fling off empowered Chaos Bolts during kite phase without being outranged is going to be a bitch past the first two fixates.

 

At least that's what I think, if you do try it please post how it goes!