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I was at over 100 teams defeated without a single win. Found the shrine tiers list as I was in my 2nd-3rd battle with bottled terror. Figured I was screwed. Nope, hello first win ^_^

Needless to say, I'm questioning all of the rankings on that tier list now 🙂

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On 1/4/2019 at 2:22 AM, Guest Cerberus said:

I was at over 100 teams defeated without a single win. Found the shrine tiers list as I was in my 2nd-3rd battle with bottled terror. Figured I was screwed. Nope, hello first win ^_^

Needless to say, I'm questioning all of the rankings on that tier list now 🙂

This game mode is fairly RNG dependent due to how some matchups are highly polarised and how card buckets work. You could get an awful shrine and still win, and you can get a great shrine and lose anyway. Generally though, you should have an easier time with higher ranked shrines than you would with a lower ranked shrine.

From experience, the shrine tier list holds for me, as I have completed the whole run successfully with each of the tier 1 shrines on my first attemp, with the exceptions of Jan'alai's Progeny, which I had won with on my second attempt, and Bwonsamdi's Tome, which I never got around to picking. For lower ranked shrines, it was up to three failed attempts to finally win with it. Nonetheless, I am glad that you finally achieved a victorious Rumble Run.

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Again icy veins does a good job saying what is available. But another pointless guide as this is another of hearthstones great pointless adventures. I struggle to see why anyone plays this game as it’s obviously impossible to win unless the computer wants you to. I’ve never in my life found a game as good as this at making sure the human interface has literally 0 input into winning. The cheating by the ai is simply mind boggling. You never have a chance from the moment you press play unless you get the 1 in 100,000,000 game that the computer allows you to win on.

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Mh, I won with 3 shrines.

10 tries or something like that.

But all 3 were "strong" shrines that are considered good and strong. I oriented heavily on these guides (which shrines are good? Which buckets / boni...) And with those the runs are definitly winable.

Sure, you need some luck. Some encounters your and/or the opponents card-draw are too unlucky and you have no chance of winning.

And yeah, you need to have some idea what you are doing. You can't afford many missplays.

The rumble run is actually a quite well made "solo-modes". That's one part Blizzard does really nice. I enjoyed every solo-part in the last expansions. They put some thinking and effort into those encounteres. Sure, you need luck, there is no "winning-strategy" that guarantees your victory. But a game like this doesn't require that. RNG is fine, as long as there is a chance for you to actually win. And all solo-modes have that. I won every one of them at least once (which every halfway decent player will have done if he tried it more then once.)
And I am one of the users on this site who critizes Blizzard most. I don't like the games they produce (story, characters, atmosphere) compared to 15 years ago. I don't like how they try to squeeze more and more money out of Hearthstone (I do NOT complain that they try to make money. They shall make money. I used to always buy their games as soon as they were released. Because they deserve to make good money on a good game. But switching the adventures for more expansions (Hearthstone) is just over the line.)
However, Blizzard does several things right. And you spreading stupid lies is just annoying.

But I know, you don't want an answer, you just want to troll. Your claims are obviously false and I have no idea why I am stupid enough to even answer^^

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Ah yes the age old, if I call you a troll it avoids myself being called a troll. You realise that between the two of us only one has made a direct personal attack on the other... but of course your clearly the one in the right because your allowed to troll others but as long as you believe yourself that’s all that matters.

as soon as you made a personal attack on someone meone you do not know you invalide your own argument. Next time try to be more reasonable and you might have a chance at a convincing argument. Untill you learn to behave like a grown up I’ll just have to assume your opinions cannot be taken seriously. 

You also contradict yourself in your own assessment so again, try to troll better next time. Untill that point I’ll continue to believe the accuracy of the facts as I know it. This adventure cannot be beaten unless the computer decides it wants you too. At that point you win.

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15 hours ago, Guest Newbie said:

Ah yes the age old, if I call you a troll it avoids myself being called a troll. You realise that between the two of us only one has made a direct personal attack on the other... but of course your clearly the one in the right because your allowed to troll others but as long as you believe yourself that’s all that matters.

as soon as you made a personal attack on someone meone you do not know you invalide your own argument. Next time try to be more reasonable and you might have a chance at a convincing argument. Untill you learn to behave like a grown up I’ll just have to assume your opinions cannot be taken seriously. 

You also contradict yourself in your own assessment so again, try to troll better next time. Untill that point I’ll continue to believe the accuracy of the facts as I know it. This adventure cannot be beaten unless the computer decides it wants you too. At that point you win.

So many text and such little content :)
And on top of that you ignore every fact about other players being able to win (you can watch on youtube-vids, you do not have to take my statement as face value) but you still claim your "facts" to be true.

Let me guess - politician?

Well, I am out of this "conversation".

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And yet again the troll begins with a personal attack. I do feel sorry for you that your only outlet is to try to abuse others. Their is only one set of facts how you interpret them is a different matter, and our opinions differ. But of course as the troll, your only response is to make petty personal attacks.

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12 hours ago, Guest Newbie said:

And yet again the troll begins with a personal attack. I do feel sorry for you that your only outlet is to try to abuse others. Their is only one set of facts how you interpret them is a different matter, and our opinions differ. But of course as the troll, your only response is to make petty personal attacks.

The problem here is that you present your opinion as a fact, and honestly, your opinion a person winning only when the AI lets them to is pretty far from real reason why people win in Rumble Run. It's incredibly naive to assume that luck is the only, or even main, factor here, and that I assume is the main reason you're being called a troll—because you are stating something that is clearly wrong and then you even double down, which is what trolls usually do.

If you said that Dungeon Run or Monster Hunt was just dumb and way too luck-reliant, I'd wholeheartedly agree, but Rumble Run is actually well designed (aside from replayability) piece of content, and one's skill is still pivotal here.

Besides, you say that their only response was to call you a troll but if you actually read their post, you'll notice that it does not make even a tenth of that post, yet you apparently only read that. You're either delusional, or are a troll.

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I would absolutely disagree that skill has anything to do with it. Apart from the standard argument that hearthstone is more luck than skill anyway this game mode is filled with luck. You cannot decide which card packs you get offered nor what’s in them, you cannot decide which specials you get, you cannot decide which enemy you get, you cannot decide what order you get your cards and that’s just the stuff on your side of the game. On top of that your against a computer that gets (more often than not) perfect synergy, perfect card draw, overpowered hero powers, more starting crystals and a direct counter to whatever you do. The only way you can beat such decks with your own ‘random’ (slightly synergies) decks is waiting for a missplay from the computer (which can only happen if it’s progreammed to, that’s how computers work).

i would absolutely disagree that victory is more skill than luck given how little chance you have to influence the game

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6 hours ago, Guest Newbie said:

Apart from the standard argument that hearthstone is more luck than skill anyway

This is a problematic mindset that won't get you far in the game. Usually the people that do well, do so consistently, like Kat's recent double #1 legend finish—it's way more likely that she managed to stay there thanks to her skill rather than luck.

6 hours ago, Guest Newbie said:

You cannot decide which card packs you get offered

You can't, but with the choice of three card buckets, you'll more often than not have a strong bucket in the selection. Of course, selecting the right bucket is again a skill-based decision.

6 hours ago, Guest Newbie said:

you cannot decide which specials you get

Although there are some team mates and passive effects than can nearly win the game on their own, it's definitely possible to win even with weak options if you play smart. As I said before, you are also offered a choice of three, which means you'll usually have a solid option.

6 hours ago, Guest Newbie said:

you cannot decide which enemy you get

You'll need to be flexible with your card choices to allow you to win against all possible opponents you could face, and you'll need to adapt your playstyle accordingly, which is of course a skill-based action. 

6 hours ago, Guest Newbie said:

you cannot decide what order you get your cards

What you can do, however, is play well enough to mitigate the negative side of this. If you get unlucky, with enough skill, you'll be able to salvage the game, and vice versa.

6 hours ago, Guest Newbie said:

On top of that your against a computer that gets (more often than not) perfect synergy, perfect card draw, overpowered hero powers, more starting crystals and a direct counter to whatever you do.

The computer does not have an unfair advatage in this. The computer has cards that you could be offered when playing for that Shrine. If you think that some combos that the computer pulls of are ridiculous, try to get your hands on the shrine later on. 

6 hours ago, Guest Newbie said:

waiting for a missplay from the computer (which can only happen if it’s progreammed to, that’s how computers work).

It might be programmed to make misplays, but it's more likely that the AI is just dumb, as it has been getting progressively better with time. Rather than the devs removing misplays the AI is allowed and supposed to make, it's more likely that they are making the AI better at the game (but it still sucks hard). Either way, it's up to you to take advantage of the AI's misplays. Identifying them, and knowing how to use them to boost your own position is a skill.

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