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[Retribution-SoO] Knowing Which Tier 5 Talent To Use

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This thread is mainly to help ret paladins choose which talent they should use for which fight in Siege of Orgrimmar based on the trinkets/tier bonuses available to them.

 

The biggest factors in this would be having the Eye of Galakras, and the Tier 16-4set bonus. The following graph will cover all combinations of the two, but are NOT the definitive answers.

 

 

Boss T16-4set
Eye of Galakras
T16-4set
Eye of Galakras
T16-4set
Eye of Galakras
T16-4set
Eye of Galakras
Immerseus DP DP DP DP
Fallen

Protectors

SW DP SW DP
Norushen SW DP SW DP
Sha of Pride SW SW SW SW
Galakras DP DP DP DP
Iron
Juggernaut
SW SW SW SW
Dark
Shamans
SW SW SW SW
Nazgrim SW SW SW SW
Malkorok SW SW SW SW
Spoils SW DP SW DP
Thok SW SW SW SW
Siegecrafter
Blackfuse
SW SW SW SW
Paragons SW SW SW SW
Garrosh SW SW SW SW

 

Heroic would be the same, now keep in mind, some of these fights are VERY generalized, and depending on how your raid kills them you could use a different talent, but generally I use the same builds on normal and heroic because structure in monster sense isn't that much different.

 

 

Now as we mention, these are not definitive. For example, if the trouble you are having on Galakras is that his final phase is taking too long and you are wiping, it might be best to pick up SW to help burst on his healthbar.

 

These are the generic cases before taking into account your specific raid comp, raid needs, and personal skill set. Choose what makes the most sense for you based on the factors in play.

 

Thanks for Auriel for helping work with me to create the talent choices.

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