[Archived] Beast Mastery Hunter 5.4

[Foreveralone 0]

Nvm I fixed the issue i was having!

Edited January 2, 2013 by Foreveralone

[Tehstool 10]

There is an issue with the BiS list. The BiS belt should be Shadowgrip Girdle not Ranger's Chain of Unending Summer

Comparing them Shows that the shadowgrip girdle has 80 more agility and 663 more crit than the ranger's chain which has 610 more expertise and 161 more haste than the shadowgrip girdle.

[Guest Sly]

Just have a question about the BiS trinkets, i have spoken to a few hunters and they seem to believe that the darkmoon fair trinket Relic of Xuen fully upgraded is better then the Terror in the Mists trinket and the only time you might possibly use the Terror in the Mists is when its Heroic and fully upgraded, the reasoning is due to the Relic having agi with agi proc and that is very hard to beat compared to the agi with crit proc. Where do you stand on this?

thanks for the guide i have found it very usefull

[Tehstool 10]

Just have a question about the BiS trinkets, i have spoken to a few hunters and they seem to believe that the darkmoon fair trinket Relic of Xuen fully upgraded is better then the Terror in the Mists trinket and the only time you might possibly use the Terror in the Mists is when its Heroic and fully upgraded, the reasoning is due to the Relic having agi with agi proc and that is very hard to beat compared to the agi with crit proc. Where do you stand on this?

thanks for the guide i have found it very usefull

2/2 RoX beats everything until H TiTM and H bottle.

[Guest Starboardten]

Hi, in the BM section on Rotation etc in Section 5.1 it says:-

A Beast Mastery Hunter's focus has a maximum capacity of 120, and regenerates at an innate rate of 6 focus per second. This rate is increased by Haste Rating. In addition to this, certain abilities such as Steady Shot (Marksmanship-only) and Cobra Shot (Beast Mastery and Survival-only) also grant focus.

I have a BM hunter ad I have Steady Shot, you say it is MM only, hope you dont mind me pointing this out.

[Guest Jabari]

I hate to break it to you guys, but you're going to have to completely re-write this guide. The rotation and stat weights are totally wrong.

The main reason is that "Kill Command on cooldown, without delay" is so important that everything else revolves around it.

This has 2 basic effects:

- You don't have a single "rotation", nor a priority scheme. What you have is a set of "mini-rotations" for what you can fit in before the next KC. These are either 3 or 4 shots, based on whether you have one of RF/FF/Lust active. (Or even 5, if two of the big-hastes are active).

- Haste is competely and totally worthless. It really should have a stat weight of about 0.1 - the only thing that it effectively affects are autoshot and pet-autoattack. With no "big-haste" going, you can only do Cobra/Cobra/Arcane between KCs, whether at 0 haste or 3000.

The Elitist Jerks guide is up to date, and is correct (though worded strangely). Might be better to get the main ideas from the Maintankadin forum - look in the Other Specs forum there.

(As a humorous side note: Simcraft is currently using the rotation listed here. I run about 10-15% higher than a "perfect reflexes, zero lag" simulation on the target dummy!)

[Guest Infjustice]

- Haste is competely and totally worthless. It really should have a stat weight of about 0.1 - the only thing that it effectively affects are autoshot and pet-autoattack. With no "big-haste" going, you can only do Cobra/Cobra/Arcane between KCs, whether at 0 haste or 3000.

Completely agree with this. I believe they also mention that stacking rapid fire or focus with bestial wrath is recommended. Because haste doesn't do anything but increase pet autoattack speed (because our ranged attack speed is not a huge factor) you might as well stack them.

[Larnot 0]

Thanks for all this info! I haven't played for a year+, so things have changed drastically. These guides really help me understand all the new stuff and how to use it. Great job!

-Ogichidaa @ Bronzebeard, US

[Tehstool 10]

I have a slight issue with the. One pertinent to dps and one not. You guys have a spelling error. In the focus fire/frenzy area it says "non-existant" when it should be "non-existent". Then with it you go on detailing that the dps difference is non-existent, but it isn't. It's a pretty hefty dps increase and on top of that with any Real PPM abilities or items the value increases.

[Guest kirrot]

I recently switched from Dire Beast to Thrill of the Hunt and notice a nearly 10k increase in DPS yet it's completely disregarded in this guide. Any thoughts or explanation on why I would see such a large increase in DPS from a talent that is supposedly the worst in it's tier?

[Damien 1,533]

I recently switched from Dire Beast to Thrill of the Hunt and notice a nearly 10k increase in DPS yet it's completely disregarded in this guide. Any thoughts or explanation on why I would see such a large increase in DPS from a talent that is supposedly the worst in it's tier?

You would need to provide us with a proof of some kind or more explanations. What was the context of your tests?

[Vlad 419]

I recently switched from Dire Beast to Thrill of the Hunt and notice a nearly 10k increase in DPS yet it's completely disregarded in this guide. Any thoughts or explanation on why I would see such a large increase in DPS from a talent that is supposedly the worst in it's tier?

To expand a bit on what Damien said, you need to take several factors into account when you look at a recommendation we give in one of our guides, and how that relates to the actual results you see.

• When we assess the value of certain talents or abilities, it is always in the context of a typical raid encounter. This means that it is a sustained fight where you benefit from all available raid buffs, among other things.
• The value of a talent assumes that the player uses that talent to its maximum potential (or reasonably close to that).
• We rely on extremely high sample sizes to reach our results (Simulationcraft is typically used with 10,000 iterations per simulation).

What I'm trying to say is that one or more of the following three things might be true, and they would account for you seeing higher DPS with Thrill of the Hunt than with Dire beast:

• You are not trying these talents out in normal raid situations.
• You were not using Dire Beast optimally.
• Your sample size is very limited.

Anyway, if you provide us with additional details, we can probably answer more fully.

[Guest Haithere]

Talents : Tier 5 Talents.

Blink strikes for BM is by far the better choice, there are a lot of reasons for this :

> It vastly increases your pet up-time to nearly 99%, without the talent you will never reach this up-time unless you put your place on the boss for the entire fight, which is bad and most hunters don't do that.

> Claw/Bite etc damage is generally around 26% of your pets total damage when not using the talent, however when using the talent that value jumps up to well above 45%. That is more of a damage increase than aMoC. aMoC is on average a 3-5% gain (for BM), while blink-strikes is around a 2% gain over aMoC.

I don't expect you to take my word, but I did a lot of PTR and research on live realms about these abilities, and without a fact blinkstrikes is a big improvement over aMoC. So I recommend you to evaluate these talents in real time playing which could be raiding or 100 million dmg dummy parses with different talents.

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Stats : You should definitely mention something with different trinkets and gear levels, haste might be better than crit due to how it interacts with RPPM effects such as trinkets and 2set/4set.

[Guest WarBringerPT]

Saying that using either exotic pet in conjuction with aoe rotation to yield more dps is wrong, since when both pets are channeling both their aoe attacks, they are not using their auto attacks, therefore not getting a benefit from beast cleave.

There is no reason whatsoever to use either a chimera or a worm, other than looks.

[Vlad 419]

Talents : Tier 5 Talents.

Blink strikes for BM is by far the better choice, there are a lot of reasons for this :

> It vastly increases your pet up-time to nearly 99%, without the talent you will never reach this up-time unless you put your place on the boss for the entire fight, which is bad and most hunters don't do that.

> Claw/Bite etc damage is generally around 26% of your pets total damage when not using the talent, however when using the talent that value jumps up to well above 45%. That is more of a damage increase than aMoC. aMoC is on average a 3-5% gain (for BM), while blink-strikes is around a 2% gain over aMoC.

I don't expect you to take my word, but I did a lot of PTR and research on live realms about these abilities, and without a fact blinkstrikes is a big improvement over aMoC. So I recommend you to evaluate these talents in real time playing which could be raiding or 100 million dmg dummy parses with different talents.

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Stats : You should definitely mention something with different trinkets and gear levels, haste might be better than crit due to how it interacts with RPPM effects such as trinkets and 2set/4set.

Thanks! I was actually in the process of updating that very issue regarding talents before you posted, but I thank you for it anyway, since your post was helpful. To the best of my knowledge, AMOC and BS are basically equal for single target in terms of DPS, but the other benefits of BS (which you mentioned) turn it into the preferred choice.

Saying that using either exotic pet in conjuction with aoe rotation to yield more dps is wrong, since when both pets are channeling both their aoe attacks, they are not using their auto attacks, therefore not getting a benefit from beast cleave.

There is no reason whatsoever to use either a chimera or a worm, other than looks.

I moved the AoE pets to a separate section, and mentioned that they don't offer a DPS boost. I basically just left them there for completeness' sake. Thank you for your comment!

[Guest Martouf]

I got confused about the Rabid use. Guide says that Rabid has 2min cooldown and should be used with every 2nd BW. However when I go in game I get 1min 30sec cd on Rabid. Is it better to wait for Rabid cd and line it with BW or keep Rabid on cd and line it with every 3rd BW ? Thanks!

[Vlad 419]

I got confused about the Rabid use. Guide says that Rabid has 2min cooldown and should be used with every 2nd BW. However when I go in game I get 1min 30sec cd on Rabid. Is it better to wait for Rabid cd and line it with BW or keep Rabid on cd and line it with every 3rd BW ? Thanks!

Thanks, yeah, it is 90 seconds. I'm fixing the guide right now :)

[Guest Martai]

Blink Strike became 'passive' for my BM hunter... ?...

[Guest Dakayras]

Hoy,

Whenever possible, you should stack Stampede and Rapid Fire, since this increases the amount of attacks the pets from Stampede will do.

If rapid fire give me "ranged haste" I think I have no use to stack with stampede and so it didn't increase the amount of attack of both stampede and my pet (just like focus fire)

Wrong?

[Guest Wbsclan]

I just noticed that there is no mention of Aspect of the Hawk on the Buffs, Debuffs and Useful Abilities Pages for any of the hunter guides. It is mentioned earlier in the guides on the Rotation and Cooldown pages as the only Aspect that we should be using.

Just an observation.

[Gurragu 0]

Glyph of Direction no longer removes the cooldown of Misdirection.

[Guest WeeWilly]

I wrote my request on wrong place. Please Help me on this one.

Thank you.

ok, first off - don't worry. Don't worry about having two crafting professions. Skinning goes with LW, so go with it. (you said, no gold, no other toons, you are starting out fresh). A suggestion is have 2 gathering professions - skinning and mining or skinning and herbs. Sell your herbs, sell your ore, but keep the leather (mats) for when you switch at lvl 40, you can build yourself up pretty fast or as I did on my last experiment, I was a skinner and miner - keept the smelted bars) and at lvl 85, I dropped skinning for black smithing. Leveled up to 575 and had to wait till lvl 87 to get the last recipe Ineeded to level to 600. Pretty painless and I made gold off of the skins.

Besides skinning gives you a passive ability for every 75 levels called Master of Anatomy that gives you at lvl 600 an additional +480 Critial Strike (about 12% more). Not bad. :) Hunters can always use more crits.

What IV is talking about is adding more agility to yourself for raiding (just giving yourself more killing ability is all, but for RAIDING. You won't be doing much of that until lvl 90 if at all). With engineering, the addition of the frag belt is ok, but to be truthful, I forget to use it every minute on my engineer, so I dropped it. Besides, if you cause enough agro on the enemy, they will go for your throat, leaving the tank and the tank will be pissed at ya and rightfully so (unless you time it to work with your mis-direct, but then MORE things you have to juggle).

But the most important item that you need to learn is Professions have nothing to do with focus! Let me repeat - PROFESSIONS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH FOCUS. Focus is the name of the cha/energy/mana/etc that hunters use. As a SS or MM, you only have 100 focus. As a BM, you get an extra 20 for 120 focus. Even you pet has focus.

What professions do for you is give you extra sockets, fur lining, jewels, (and a few others things) but that is it and honestly nothing to worry about. But let me repeat - NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT until you want to raid at lvl 90.

Just have fun. Hunters are fun. We get a pet who is our tank, you keep it alive, it will keep you alive.

Good Luck (and yes, this is one of my rogues that is logged into Icy Veins. )

-roo

Edited June 4, 2013 by WeeWilly

[stonegolem 0]

Thank you for your detailed post.

I appreciate it and I already feel better.

Thank you.

Note:

I also intalled all suggested add-ons. Some of them seems to overlap each other at default settings (not graphics wise but for their use). I will try to track, find and disable them during my gameplay. If I feel desperate, I will ask them as well.

[Guest WeeWilly]

Thank you for your detailed post.

I appreciate it and I already feel better.

Thank you.

Note:

I also in(s)talled all suggested add-ons. Some of them seems to overlap each other at default settings (not graphics wise but for their use). I will try to track, find and disable them during my gameplay. If I feel desperate, I will ask them as well.

I appreciate that. I re-read what I wrote and I am ashamed of myself that I didn't catch the bad grammer and that my thoughts were all over the place. Just please remember, it is a game. Nothing to lose sleep over. It is fun and can be a bit overwhelming due to all the items and changes over the last few years (lots and lots of button pushing at lvl 90). Raiding is pretty much the last step and is where the IV guide really shines (and I believe it is made for 85-90). But for 1-85, just learn your class and have fun.

You don't need all the add-ons. They will slow the game down for you besides having to worry about updating them all time due to patches. Just get one and play with it. A suggestion is ElvUI, IF YOU REALLY REALLY want an add-on. Deadly Boss Mods is also good once you start into the instances.

The others I wouldn't worry about for now. For example, you won't have Mis-direct (misdirection) until lvl 76, so don't worry about it until then.

I only use 2 add-ons - one is for map coordinates and the other is "bad boy" to stop all the insane chatter and guild invites, etc. Thats it.

I use 2 macros that I made myself - one to mark the target and send in my pet (not really needed, but sometimes I forget to mark). The other is for mis-direction. With it, I can mis-direct to a person (think Tank) or my pet. I have other macros, but havent had to use them, so I have not updated them for 5.2+.

Now to really blow your mind

Remember - 1 agi = 2 attack power + some crit (if memory serves me right I believe it is 0.55 Crit)

Agility is the first stat you are always after when leveling. That is our most important. Whats next has been the debated since the beginning of time.

But Roo, what about while I go from 1 to 80? As I leveled up, I used what items I received as rewards or found rather than go without - for example if I find a ring with Agi and Spirit, I will use it until something better comes along. Plain silly not too. Just don't use that same type of ring at 80 to 90 though. But I wil not use a ring that is INT and Spirit or all int or spirit. Nope, no way. You shouldn't either.

With that in mind - stay away from

Intel

Spellpower

Spirit

But I would be lying if I didn't say that I will use items with str or sta on them while leveling, but only if there is agi on them. Remember a hunter's major priority in gear is AGILITY.

But why Roo? Good question, cuz it makes you look silly! We receive no benefit from INT, SPIRIT, nor melee weapons, so stay away from those.

You will want to use bows, guns or crossbows.

Also remember at lvl 40, we can wear mail armour. At lvl 50, we get a 5% increase to our agility if we wear all mail.

Well, thats it young hunter from me. Play and enjoy the game. It's not life or death. These are just my suggestions, and no right or wrong incase someone else says anything. In this game, everyone has opinions - they are like belly buttons, every one has one.

so, my best to ya and "good hunting to you".

-roo the hunter AKA Wee Willy

Edited June 5, 2013 by WeeWilly

[stonegolem 0]

-roo the hunter AKA Wee Willy

When did you get "fortune telling" talent? :)

I came here to ask several questions. But, I found those questions already "clearly" answered. And I found more.

Thank you very much.