6.1 Demonology Guide

[Djargo 4]

Damn these logs showing up :o Demonbolt way to go even on Twins now

[spikeysquad 50]

Wasn't it always Djargo? Or to put it another way I always played DB over Cata there but I am often behind the times! Or do you mean that Demo is now better than Affliction on that fight?

[Deamux 4]

Damn these logs showing up Demonbolt way to go even on Twins now

 

Gonna disagree with that. Too much movement involved imo to make demonbolt worthwile. I'd prefer cata even if demonbolt is a 5k higher parsed. Alive me is better then dead me :P

[JvChequer 43]

Cata Demo only for Tectus or Ko'ragh if your raid need u to burn down little adds.

 

 

Gonna disagree with that. Too much movement involved imo to make demonbolt worthwile. I'd prefer cata even if demonbolt is a 5k higher parsed. Alive me is better then dead me 

 

Better delay your Dragon S + DB and use it than use cata, ImO

Edited January 14, 2015 by JvChequer

[ertai 0]

Do these hotfix change best trinket combo? (especially haste hotfix)

1) for non mythic raiders what's the best combo for demonology considering: copeland clarity 665; sandman pouch 670; shards of nothing 670; rune 670?

2) same question for destruction?

3) Is mythic shards 685 better than copeland clarity for the "on use" trinket slot for demonology and/or destruction?

[Soulzar 42]

Bit confused now about 3 things....

 

3) Is shards of nothing on use effect relevant at all for demon bolt? since it increases haste, and since i cant use more than 4 demon bolts it doesn't really matter if i cast them faster, because they already fit in the DS buff window.

 

I use Shards proc as a fury generator once my first full fury dump is done.

[Vixcis 0]

 

Simulated Grimoire Choices

 

Single Target Normal GoSynergy = 30,038

Single Target Normal GoSupremacy = 30,038

Single Target Normal GoService = 29,068

 

Single Target Mythic GoSynergy = 42,296

Single Target Mythic GoSupremacy = 42,217

Single Target Mythic GoService = 40,876

 

For 2 Target and 3 Target, Grimoire of Supremacy pulls ahead of Synergy by 1,800 DPS with 2 targets and 3,700 DPS with 3 targets.  Wrathguard seems to be hitting very hard with Mortal Cleave being your 3rd highest source of damage.  Bring on the Armageddon wielding Wrathguards!

 

You say supremacy is better on 2+ targets but then why Sparkugzz is having grimoire of synergy on the twins in mythiq ? :( 

 

 

[Paracel 165]

You say supremacy is better on 2+ targets but then why Sparkugzz is having grimoire of synergy on the twins in mythiq ?

 

 

He is good and he is also big boy. He can take anything that he wants and finds comfortable with.

Simulationcraft assumes Cleave is always hittin 2/3 targets

Wraithguard ain't cleaving Twins with 420% uptime in real fights. They are taken apart, etc, and more mythic stuff.

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[Nyanchan 2]

Nyanchan, 

 

As far as I am aware (at least until the last patch) Imp Swarm is still a dps loss over course of a fight. I gather that you're better having regular Imps spawn giving you a somewhat constant fury.

 

I will let someone way more qualified comment on your rotation but I gather the main goal is to get enough fury the most effective way for nthe opening 2 DBs (or 3 depending on what rotation you are using) and the rest matters not as much. If you take out Imp Swarm and do the Demonguard there do you have enough for the 2 DBs? If not you may need an extra shadowbolt pre-meta.

 

Like Paracel says more haste decreases the Demonbolt cooldown allowing you to cast it again faster. Not sure what your gear is like yet but now I will often get near capping on fury (then spend it) before the cooldown is gone.

 

Good luck!  

 

I thought imp swarm was a dps gain if timed before entering meta, also this rotation allows me to use 2 demon bolts and 1 or 2 touch of chaos before popping me out, sometimes it even gives me way more and i can use toc like 4 or 5 times. 

how does the haste work with demon bolt then? if i have high haste before casting a demon bolt, then this demon bolt will trigger a lower cd? what happens if i cast lets say 2 demon bolts with normal haste, and the next 2 with super high haste (trink+hero)?

[Paracel 165]

I thought imp swarm was a dps gain if timed before entering meta, also this rotation allows me to use 2 demon bolts and 1 or 2 touch of chaos before popping me out, sometimes it even gives me way more and i can use toc like 4 or 5 times. 

how does the haste work with demon bolt then? if i have high haste before casting a demon bolt, then this demon bolt will trigger a lower cd? what happens if i cast lets say 2 demon bolts with normal haste, and the next 2 with super high haste (trink+hero)?

Imp Swarm is not a DPS gain. It buffs your opener burst - and it's something you generally don't want to be buffed.

Sustained damage and MC procs and fury generation is better.

Haste and DB is pretty simple.

You have increased haste and cast DB - your debuff duration will be less. 

Second case is pretty the same - your first DB will apply debuff with full duration, second aswell(refresh it). #3 and #4 will apply (and refresh) the debuff according to your current - buffed - haste.

However, it does not affect your pure damage. You still can cast only 2/3/4 DB, regardless of your haste. And they won't punch more because you have Shards/Bloodlust. That's why haste isn't that good on Demo.

[Cardio33 3]

I'm sure this was covered somewhere but I'm having trouble finding it.  Can anyone please explain to me the ideal burst aoe rotation?  I am just brushing off demon from MOP and it's very different.  I saw some mentions about Chaos wave vs HoG.

 

As an example, who do you aoe against Tectus?

[Liquidsteel 279]

Imp Swarm is not a DPS gain. 

However, it does not affect your pure damage. You still can cast only 2/3/4 DB, regardless of your haste. And they won't punch more because you have Shards/Bloodlust. That's why haste isn't that good on Demo.

 

I'd be careful with such blanket statements. You need to be more specific. "Imp Swarm is not a DPS gain in the long run" would be more appropriate.

 

It IS a gain if used to provide additional burst during something like Spine of Deathwing, and can still be extremely effective on short fights. On something like Butcher you can get 3 casts off on a 3 and a half minute fight. Having those imps out with a high uptime on buffs is pretty decent.

[Furyio 3]

Had an enjoyable run with Demo through the farm content we could do last night before time ran out on the raid. 

 

It was rough at the start, but around Imperator normal felt like I got the rotation down tight, and finished a lot higher then I normally would. 

 

Kept that up through Kargath HM and then Tectus HM I had pretty much a shocking finish, in third place (dropped from second in literally the last second) Raid was positively commenting on how they were noticeable improvements in my DPS and output. 

 

Granted there is work to do, hopefully can go into tonights run and Sunday building on the comfort I started feeling towards the second half of last nights raid. Also realised I didn't pop my Doomguard once :( So used to having it out 100%of the time in Destro, forgot I need to pop it again :D So that's something to remember. 

 

I also keep getting put on things like cleave management on Bucther, Flamethrower on Bracken etc. So unfortuantely I never get a good indication of what I'm doing on some of the staple fights like Butcher. Also last nights attempt was a mess. Two seconds into the fight I'm told to move into one of the cleave groups, and then start managing it. Totally threw me off my rotation, annoying :( 

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zWqt8fFdAJ26V93G/

 

Feedback, comments and critique welcome, always eager to learrn :) 

[Bitemeplease 1]

Hello, i've a few questions again...

 

 

I have been experimenting on demo for mythic twins and trying out demon bolt build and cataclysm build and i was wondering which have been better for you guys?

 

I find myself wondering what to dump fury on while using cataclysm build, my understanding is that you should meta and dump fury following these priorities

 

1. Cataclysm (of course)

2. Chaos Wave (yes? no? or do you save it for HoG)

3. Soul Fire

4. Touch of  Chaos 

 

Question 1: Abit confused about how to spend charges  for HoG, i guess with cata build you could spend additional fury on Chaos Wave instead? (but i've heard the difference between the 2 isn't that significant so I guess if you have extra fury to dump chaos wave on that's better for cata builds at least?)

 

Question 2:  Also, is there a significant dps gain over using soulfire on molten procs in meta form or can you choose to dump fury on ToC during movement fights (like what sparkuggz did in his video - noticed that he didn't use soul fire at all in meta but spammed ToC like crazy) 

 

Noob Question: Anybody figured out a way to disable the irritating "wing-ish" spell highlight that surrounds your character during molten core procs? Found it to be way too big and bright for my liking :>

[spikeysquad 50]

Noob Question: Anybody figured out a way to disable the irritating "wing-ish" spell highlight that surrounds your character during molten core procs? Found it to be way too big and bright for my liking :>

 

Hey Bite,

 

If we are thinking of the same thing then untick Interface options>Combat>Show Spell Alerts

[Eddie 16]

If Chaos wave will hit 2 or more targets, it is a DPS gain. Single target, use HoG.

[vaeevictiss 17]

quick question, not sure if it was answered in this thread...

 

should i be waiting for 2 stacks of HoG while in combat so i can doublestack shadowflame or should i just use it as its up and whenever i happen to doublestack shadowflame thats fine.

 

as for chaos wave, when do i use it if im pretty much using meta for spamming DB?

[Soulzar 42]

 

Feedback, comments and critique welcome, always eager to learrn

 

Looks like you need to work on your opener.  I took a look at a few pulls for Butcher and You are not using Meta (Demonbolting) for upwards to 20 seconds into the fight.  By this time your prepot has worn off, generally ICD trinekts, legendary ring proc once you get it.  Losing a lot of dmg without that opening burst.  

 

You do not want to build up for a standard dump on pull.  You want to get two demon bolts off and doom up asap.  Pop your DG on pull, corruption, hog two SF/SB(3 with lust), Hog.. and meta for doom and two DB's then build up for first full fury dump.

[Soulzar 42]

Hello, i've a few questions again...

 

 

I have been experimenting on demo for mythic twins and trying out demon bolt build and cataclysm build and i was wondering which have been better for you guys?

 

I find myself wondering what to dump fury on while using cataclysm build, my understanding is that you should meta and dump fury following these priorities

 

1. Cataclysm (of course)

2. Chaos Wave (yes? no? or do you save it for HoG)

3. Soul Fire

4. Touch of  Chaos 

 

Question 1: Abit confused about how to spend charges  for HoG, i guess with cata build you could spend additional fury on Chaos Wave instead? (but i've heard the difference between the 2 isn't that significant so I guess if you have extra fury to dump chaos wave on that's better for cata builds at least?)

 

Question 2:  Also, is there a significant dps gain over using soulfire on molten procs in meta form or can you choose to dump fury on ToC during movement fights (like what sparkuggz did in his video - noticed that he didn't use soul fire at all in meta but spammed ToC like crazy) 

 

 

DB on twins is better than cata, especially now after the latest buffs.  Cata does just fine though and allots your to trivialize movement.  DB requires a bit better planning because nothing sucks more than a 10s darksoul if you have to move for fire.  Cata the only real requirement is that you always hit both bosses with every Cata.

 

ToC is used fairly liberally with a Cata build as you will have tons of fury coming in.  You get enough MC stacks with two dooms and two HoG rolling to use SF over SB almost all the time in caster, only needing to start banking charges 20s or so before your 2min ds cycles.. where you drop your cata and unload the rest of your fury in soul fires.

 

Any time I am using ToC I am switching between the two bosses to make sure its maxing the duration of Corruption.

 

DB, you can still use ToC for short movement stints to avoid fire, but try to avoid it as its a huge slow down to your DB cycle.

 

I played DB for the first time on Mythic twins this week and blew away my previous best... GG buffs, I was also wearing my Stormwind Teleport cloak.. lol

[Cardio33 3]

Looking at some of the top parses over the last 2-3 days since buffs shows people are definitely using chaos wave on aoe encounters.

For tectus, imp, and kor'gath it looks like they are goin: Dark Soul -> meta -> cata + wrath storm -> 2xchaos waves, back into caster form and spread corruption till chaos wave is back up.

It's also interesting to see no one is using mammoths fury as there is zero damage coming from hellfire/immolation

Burst aoe is pretty basic but I'm curious how warlocks sustain aoe to push >50k dps numbers on mythic tectus.

[Liquidsteel 279]

Chaos Wave was already great under Dark Soul on burst AoE scenarios. The buff just made it even better.

 

For Mythic Tectus, you have 10 targets, Bloodlust, Potion, Dark Soul, Trinket and hopefully weapon and ring procs.

 

You drop a GoServ Felguard, AoE Infernal, then go ham as you mentioned with Cata / CW. If people like you then get a BoP for when you cast Cata to guarantee it goes off.

[Scathbais 1]

I use Shards proc as a fury generator once my first full fury dump is done.

 

I just got mythic Shards last night.  How do you use it with Copeland's?  My thought it to use Copeland's with Demonbolt/Cata and as Soulzar suggested, use Shards between as a fury generator.

 

Alternatively, using it 1 minute apart from Copeland's and together with DS/Demonbolt (assuming glyph of Dark Soul) would reduce the cool down on demon bolt. Not sure this would work.  

 

Any additional ideas would be appreciated.

 

Note:  I also have 665 Sandman trinket and am reasonable sure Shards+Copeland is the best combo of the three.  Will sim it out for myself when I get home from work tonight.

[yibsu 1]

Looking at some of the top parses over the last 2-3 days since buffs shows people are definitely using chaos wave on aoe encounters.

For tectus, imp, and kor'gath it looks like they are goin: Dark Soul -> meta -> cata + wrath storm -> 2xchaos waves, back into caster form and spread corruption till chaos wave is back up.

It's also interesting to see no one is using mammoths fury as there is zero damage coming from hellfire/immolation

Burst aoe is pretty basic but I'm curious how warlocks sustain aoe to push >50k dps numbers on mythic tectus.

 

 

Is there actually any point to Dark Soul before you Cataclysm? Mastery doesn't affect it, so I think you are just wasting 2.5 sec of DS. I might be wrong but what I've been doing is using Copelands/Pot before Cata then DS right after for the double Chaos Wave.

Edited January 15, 2015 by yibsu

[Drafty53 17]

Is there actually any point to Dark Soul before you Cataclysm? Mastery doesn't affect it, so I think you are just wasting 2.5 sec of DS. I might be wrong but what I've been doing is using Copelands/Pot before Cata then DS right after for the double Chaos Wave.

Mastery increases all damage you and your pet do. Yes you don't get the added effects like you do on the select spells in the tooltip like TiC, SF, etc. But overall, the mastery buff will increase your cata damage so it is worth it IMO.

[Yarilo 1]

I just got mythic Shards last night.  How do you use it with Copeland's?  My thought it to use Copeland's with Demonbolt/Cata and as Soulzar suggested, use Shards between as a fury generator.

I was playing with this combination last night on mythic butcher and it worked really well. I used shard on the pull with lust to get a short cd on Imp swarm and used copeland's with 4 Db and DS 20 second later. It works well for a 4m fight since I didn't lose uptime but anything longer than that it might get tricky.