6.1 Demonology Guide

[Liquidsteel 279]

With Lust and Shards Demonbolt CD is like 20s anyway. You're better off doing 3x DB in the opener (with Imp Swarm this is trivial) then getting another 3x DB with Copelands 30s later.

[Bombsauce 3]

Been running Mythic Warforged Shards of Nothing + sandman's pouch. I'm saving the on-use after the first full 850 fury dump, and for aoe popping the on use and double stacking HoG. Seems to be working out fine.

[Yarilo 1]

With Lust and Shards Demonbolt CD is like 20s anyway. You're better off doing 3x DB in the opener (with Imp Swarm this is trivial) then getting another 3x DB with Copelands 30s later.

Forgot to mention it but I was casting demonbolt on the pull. I just did 2 and 4 though.

[Liquidsteel 279]

Forgot to mention it but I was casting demonbolt on the pull. I just did 2 and 4 though.

No real evidence to say 3x is better than 2x on pull anyway, I just assumed with Imp Swarm that's what you were doing.

[Soulzar 42]

I use my CC on the pull to line up with Prepot/Ring proc, even if I only get 2DBs with all those procs up instead of 4 with a later CC.

 

On Butcher with Hero on pull, I would dump my opening two DB, and build up to 700 or so fury before the 20s duration of CC was done, pop Shards to push 850 and catch that proc and final seconds of hero for the second 4DB dump. 

 

I tested Imp swarm the other night and really did not like it.  I found my 3rd fury build once hero was done was way to slow due to no imps out and less MC procs... where as on pull, my fury gain was higher than it really needed to be.  Imps don't do shit for dmg anymore so the value of lining them up with procs is kinda moot now... and I don't see a reason to need more fury generation on pull with heroism than you already get.

[Roblinz 0]

Supremacy or Synergy? The guide says supremacy but I've seen people say Synergy lately. 

[JvChequer 43]

Supremacy or Synergy? The guide says supremacy but I've seen people say Synergy lately.

 

Synergy tends to be way better with some luck but Supremacy gives u more reliable damage

Edited January 17, 2015 by JvChequer

[Nytemare 2]

So I got both CC and Heroic Shards, as destro I do CC with DS then pop Shards 30 sec later. For demo how would I go about handle that? Using the Demonbolt talent  + DS glyph + AD (think that what I see taken) do I do Shards with DS in opener then wait until I ready to do 4x DB then pop DS + CC for that part? and just rinse and repeat them? with DarkSoul being 1min, using each trinket with a DS + DB burn.

 

Also do we still want to aim for the following; 

Mastery >= Haste (10%) > Crit = Multistrike > Haste = Versatility

 

and is the idea opener still 

 

•Pre-Pot +  Soul Fire
• Hand of Gul'dan
• Corruption
• Shadow Bolt
• Dark Soul: Knowledge +  Hand of Gul'dan
• Metamorphosis +  Doom
• Demonbolt
• Demonbolt
• Soul Fire until out of  Molten Core charges then Touch of Chaos

 

During the nuke of getting off 4x Demon Bolt, do I just pop out of meta manually and reapply corruption when needed, or spam ToC until it pops me out. Using WA locky made, I been waiting until it says Burn and DS off cd to pop into meta, but sometimes I popped back out after 4x DB and other times I not as I gained some more fury. Right now I just been just using a combo of wither ToC or MC SF until I popped out, but I expect that is wrong to do.

 

I also read do do DB burn soon as debuff falls off is that still the way or is waiting for DS proven as we get higher gear (currently 6/7H)  better to wait for Dark Soul and have enough fury for 4x DB

Edited January 19, 2015 by Nytemare

[Zinthar 2]

Regarding your opener, is it established that it's worth it to stay in demon form while casting Soul Fire (and a ToC) after getting your doom and Demon Bolts off?  Generally I'd think you'd want to get out of it ASAP so that you can spend as much fury as possible on the next round of demon bolts, but there might be an exception when you're under the effect of both the intellect pot and DS. 

[BigBadLock 0]

I am struggling with Twin Ogrons if I use DB.

The amount of movement hurts my fury generation and is a pain in the ass if I want to cast my DB. Afte Demo buffs I picked Cataclysm and was quite happy with my dps (my Char is Vaermont):

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jn7DCGwhMzTQbmda#fight=79&type=damage-done

 

I did that encounter again with DB and only got 32k dps. Unfortunately I don't have a log....anybody else who forgets to rename the logs after a raid night until it is several GB big and can't be opened again? -.-

I think I used Synergy and KJC in this try.

 

Today I did LFR and got 37k dps with DB, Synergy and KJC. But LFR is different as I don't move as much as on Mythic.

I really wonder how much of a dps gain DB is compared to Cata in the hands of a Demo Master.

[Gruxa 1]

I've been trying to get my hands on a SoN, so far no luck (running CC+SP3/3 now).

 

So far it's a pretty wide consensus on SoN being best atm altough I see some saying SON+QR being best and here I see alot of ppl running SON+CC. Any reason for that?

 

That being said, I just want to make sure i'll be able to handle SON right straight away once I get it, so do you guys think it's best used for reducing Demonbolt's debuff time or as a fury generator gain? ( on top of that there's the case of having BL or no BL during the opener as well, my first feeling would tell me to hold SoN that time, but ofc i can't test this).

[Liquidsteel 279]

Why would you hold it? In the opener 2 Demonbolts take like 3 seconds to cast max.

Later on you take 5 to 7 seconds castings 3x or 4x. The reduced cooldown means you can potentially get another cycle in during the encounter, and you're still getting increased fury gen from it. I'd treat them the same to be quite honest.

[Kerber 0]

I'm running demo as my main spec with destro as my  off spec. I got Shards of Nothing + Heroic Shards of Nothing (socketed) with a NHC Quiet Runestone currently. I wonder if it would make sense to switch the Shards of Nothing for a Copeland's Clarity. I am unsure if its worth it since I would be losing 5 ilvl (not so dramatic), a lot of intellence and 50 mastery from the socket.

 

On the other hand I gain a better proc and the crit is also good for my second spec.

 

I hear that CC is the trinket to go right now for demo and also for destro but when I compare it to my Shards it feels kinda...meh.

 

What do you guys think?

Edited January 24, 2015 by Kerber

[Vile 9]

I'd definitely go with CC+Runestone, or even CC+SoN and use the haste for fury building. That SP boost for Demonbolting is pretty sick.

[Liquidsteel 279]

Shards of nothing is my go to trinket on all fights except Tectus. The passive intellect gain is amazing and the Haste proc isn't exactly terrible. I can get off my second DB cycle within bloodlust buff.

[Kerber 0]

That's what I was thinking. Its +290 Crit (permanent) and +1100 SP (temporary) vs. +228 SP (permanent), +50 Mastery (permanent) and +1337 Haste (temporary).

 

The haste is not that bad for demo and destro. The Crit is obviously better for Destro, but since I only play destro on Ko'ragh and Mar'gok I don't think it's that important.

 

Hmm still thinking about it, but I think I will stick with the SoN for now, despite CC lingering in my head ^^

 

Btw I love these discussions on Warlocks. The fact that you have choice and must think about it shows that the class is in a good state atm (at least to me). Nothing is set in stone and people can play their own style. I like that

Edited January 24, 2015 by Kerber

[Liquidsteel 279]

SoN is actually Intellect, and afaik it is still 1 int = 2 SP (might need correction here).

 

So it's even better than you said.

 

I still think Copeland's is the best for Destro lined up with 2 minute Dark Soul, but for the other 2 specs SoN is my pick.

[Schutzhund 0]

My Int is showing 3777 intellect = increases spell power by 3777, so 1 int, 1 SP i guess :P

[Liquidsteel 279]

I had a suspicion it might have changed from reading a forum post ages ago, thanks for confirming.

[Bitemeplease 1]

Any thoughts on the new alchemy trinket (Stone of Fire) for us demo loc

Would it be better than brf heroic trinkets? (think it gives flat mastery + int proc while most BRF trinkets give flat int + other procs)

[Paracel 165]

Any thoughts on the new alchemy trinket (Stone of Fire) for us demo loc

Would it be better than brf heroic trinkets? (think it gives flat mastery + int proc while most BRF trinkets give flat int + other procs)

Wouldn't you mind to give a direct link to it for clarity?

I don't think proc shenanigans are good for Demo. Had enough fun with Sandman's Pouch.

Needs to be run through SimCraft. I assume they will be of close value.

[Bitemeplease 1]

Wouldn't you mind to give a direct link to it for clarity?

I don't think proc shenanigans are good for Demo. Had enough fun with Sandman's Pouch.

Needs to be run through SimCraft. I assume they will be of close value.

http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=122604/stone-of-fire

 

Well, the rest of BRF trinkets are on proc too if i'm not wrong. (yeah i hate on proc trinks too.)

[Gruxa 1]

http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=122604/stone-of-fire

 

Well, the rest of BRF trinkets are on proc too if i'm not wrong. (yeah i hate on proc trinks too.)

 

Well proc trinkets are fun if you're able to line up your big hitters with it (Chaos bolt anyone?). Unfortunately Demonbolt is on a timer and if your trinkets proc during Fury buildups I can't help to feel that the proc just got wasted on nothing.

[Serial 0]

I had the same question about stone of fire, simcraft simulated it about the same dps as the other brf heroic trinkets with my current gear(675).

 

[Zagam 1,983]

The DPS difference between the top 3 BRF trinkets is so small that it's largely irrelevant.  What's important is to think about the likelihood of you acquiring the trinkets and how to adapt to them.  Obviously the Haste proc is nice for Demonology - increases your DB burn phases.  The Multistrike is the best, but getting the Mythic version means you're done with content.  So for progression, you might want to snag the Mythic Crit and Mythic Haste ones purely for item level reasons alone.  The Multistrike one is nice, but again it's gated by the last boss, similarly to how UVLS was.