6.1 Demonology Guide

[Gruxa 1]

DPS aside of the trinket, do you think SoN + the haste proc trinket will make a good combo for an Imp Swam build? at a pull u'll prolly have BL+proc (+SON if u choose to pop it) for a VERY SHORT cd. proc trinkets are almost once a min.

[Nytemare 2]

When using Cata on like Tectus do we use it in caster to put corruption up or do we use it under meta for Doom on all the adds? Also do we use Chaos Wave from first split when the two shards? Or do we only start using CW when he splits into motes?

 

Also when we take Cata do we still want to use DS glyph and just use it when we going to use cata, or remove it and put DS back at a 2min for lining it up with GoServ?

Edited February 1, 2015 by Nytemare

[Lockybalboa 618]

When using Cata on like Tectus do we use it in caster to put corruption up or do we use it under meta for Doom on all the adds? 

 

 

This should be REALLY obvious dude.

 

1) use a 1min CD when you're in a weaker form to apply a weak spell.

2) use a 1min CD when you're in a buffed form to apply a VERY strong spell.

[Nytemare 2]

This should be REALLY obvious dude.

 

1) use a 1min CD when you're in a weaker form to apply a weak spell.

2) use a 1min CD when you're in a buffed form to apply a VERY strong spell.

 

Could of just said under meta, no need to be an ass about it. Regarding the other parts? do we still want the glyph and line it up with cata and every other GoServ, or remove glyph and use it every 2min?

[Recklessfear 33]

Could of just said under meta, no need to be an ass about it. Regarding the other parts? do we still want the glyph and line it up with cata and every other GoServ, or remove glyph and use it every 2min?

 

 

unglyph DS when using Cata

[Lockybalboa 618]

Could of just said under meta, no need to be an ass about it. 

 

 

You can take my help or you can not take my help. You can't take my help and then get mad about it. 

 

I'm tired of giving people fish to eat, I'm trying to teach them how to fish their own. Thinking about your question and looking for a simple answer on your own is the first step in theory craft fishing. 

[Nytemare 2]

You can take my help or you can not take my help. You can't take my help and then get mad about it. 

 

I'm tired of giving people fish to eat, I'm trying to teach them how to fish their own. Thinking about your question and looking for a simple answer on your own is the first step in theory craft fishing. 

 

I don't use cata lot, and I did think about it, I did it both ways on our attempts, and was torn between which one would result in better fury gen / dps at that moment.

Edited February 1, 2015 by Nytemare

[Karigg 0]

Different trinkets can dictate different playstyles. For example, the alchemy trinket will reliably proc every ~55-56 seconds. There's potential to play around that by slowing down your burns and having it up for every burn phase. 

 

The RPPM trinkets encourage a different playstyle where you burn when you get procs. 

 

Haste trinkets are the easiest to play around because a proc will not alter your rotation. But the damage proc trinkets have potential to put out a fair bit more DPS than they do in sims. 

[Oldtrout 7]

It's completely fine to HoG / Cataclysm corruption / HoG for the beginning of Tectus. 

 

If the motes of tectus only stay alive long enough for just one tick of doom (which they do in most clean kills now - some may even die before the first tick), a full duration of corruption will end up doing more damage. 

[Liquidsteel 279]

With Bloodlust and Shard's you'll get two ticks easy. 

 

I got 16 ticks in my last kill on the Motes and that's a fight that ended in 3 minutes 28. Fairly swift.

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yGFkwpXfx8CMqvZV/#fight=14&type=damage-done&source=1&target=139

 

Annoyingly I died right before I had a chance to cast a second Chaos Wave. Would have been another million damage mostly likely!

[Oldtrout 7]

Ah, I'm used to hero not lasting for a lot of P3 since we use it at the end of P2. 

 

I do think Cataclysm for corruption is underestimated, though. There are times when the corruption is going to end up being a lot more useful than doom (guess I'm probably wrong in this case though). I might be wrong, but I think some people just assume that free doom on everything is always godlike, or that corruption is pure filler. Or maybe even that cata does more initial damage in meta.

Edited February 1, 2015 by Oldtrout

[Schutzhund 0]

I had the same question about stone of fire, simcraft simulated it about the same dps as the other brf heroic trinkets with my current gear(675).

Have anybody done the sims, since they did nerf Stone of Fire and changed the stat bonus to versatility? I would really appreciate if you could do that cause Im not able to use PC in couple days and it would be nice to see how that affects to dps

Edit. rest of the text

Edited February 3, 2015 by Schutzhund

[Soulzar 42]

Ah, I'm used to hero not lasting for a lot of P3 since we use it at the end of P2. 

 

I do think Cataclysm for corruption is underestimated, though. There are times when the corruption is going to end up being a lot more useful than doom (guess I'm probably wrong in this case though). I might be wrong, but I think some people just assume that free doom on everything is always godlike, or that corruption is pure filler. Or maybe even that cata does more initial damage in meta.

 

I suspect the T17 4p will play a good role here.  For burst, AoE corruptions to chain proc Chaos Waves may be superior.

[spikeysquad 50]

Hope everyone is enjoying getting their feet wet in BRF! 

 

I was wondering if someone could guide me a bit please on moderate to heavy movement fights? Namely I am thinking of Hans & Franz at the moment and there are probably others but I have only seen videos yet so do not really have an idea of how bad it is in reality. 

 

So is it a case of use ToC as needed or say use it sparingly to still save enough fury for say 2 or 3 DBs every minute?

 

Or perhaps do we even drop DB (shock horror) and do more of a traditional Demo? What about Affliction? Seems like no one is mentioning that now days. Yeah I know its ST and cleaving is behind usually but if you are running like a headless chicken is it better?

 

The Destro lock in my guild is so going to suffer this raid!

Edited February 4, 2015 by spikeysquad

[Soulzar 42]

For H&F you can really stand stationary for 90% of the encounter on the sections between belts.. Using a few ToC for movement was the difference between 3db and 4db... not to big of a deal.  With proper timed Fox's, a few life taps, and some corruption refreshing....ToC was limited in its need.

[Recklessfear 33]

Hope everyone is enjoying getting their feet wet in BRF! 

 

I was wondering if someone could guide me a bit please on moderate to heavy movement fights? Namely I am thinking of Hans & Franz at the moment and there are probably others but I have only seen videos yet so do not really have an idea of how bad it is in reality. 

 

So is it a case of use ToC as needed or say use it sparingly to still save enough fury for say 2 or 3 DBs every minute?

 

Or perhaps do we even drop DB (shock horror) and do more of a traditional Demo? What about Affliction? Seems like no one is mentioning that now days. Yeah I know its ST and cleaving is behind usually but if you are running like a headless chicken is it better?

 

The Destro lock in my guild is so going to suffer this raid!

 

Hide in between the belts

move at the last second so you don't die

move right back

????

top the meters

[spikeysquad 50]

Thank you both for the replies. The video I watched made it seem like you couldn't hide totally from the damage (mainly thinking of searing plates here) and had to run all over the place.

[Noire 0]

hello, am getting hard time from my guild for not playing demo atm, sorry in advance if i ask obvious things but am new to the spec and the more i read the less i seem to know what to do..

i often let myself get more than 850 fury - in such case should i only cast 4demonbolts and doom and then jump out of meta or use remaining fury in meta untill am at ~0?

my other question is about darksoul use (outside extra AD charge), if demonbolt debuff is 40 sec and DS cd 60 sec, do i wait with using darksoul for around 20 seconds each time so i can buff every other dump phase or should i use darksoul on cooldown (which means i will use it outside meta every other time but keep 100% available uptime)

...not sure if i made myself clear but it made sense on my napkin graph:P

[Paracel 165]

@Noire
Burn all the fury if you are happened to have more than ~850

DS outside of Meta makes zero sense. Use it with DBs, not separately.

To wait or not to wait is a matter that we should discuss, however. Everyone has their own personal approach.
I always hold my fury for DS, for example. And there are people who don't.

[Soulzar 42]

@Noire

Burn all the fury if you are happened to have more than ~850

 

 

I would use that fury as a credit towards my next DB cycle.  As a rule the only time I would spend fury on anything outside of DB and doom is in a Multi Target situation where your fury income exceeds your DB cooldown.  Any reason you would burn it off?

[Drkdragon 9]

I would use that fury as a credit towards my next DB cycle.  As a rule the only time I would spend fury on anything outside of DB and doom is in a Multi Target situation where your fury income exceeds your DB cooldown.  Any reason you would burn it off?

I burn it off so I keep my DS cooldown more inline with my DB cycle.

[Bombsauce 3]

If I don't burn it I just go over cap for the next burn phase again, so what I do is any extra fury after 4 DB's I use soulfire with MC procs, and ToC until no more fury.  Also, the way the DB debuff works you run the risk of the debuff not being gone when you reach 850/800 again, and if you aren't paying attention, you just cast a 5 stack DB and lost a lot of damage.

[Soulzar 42]

Interesting.  Without 4p I am not sure how you are capping 1000 fury before your DB debuf falls.  I can't even do that with lust and Shards up...

[Bombsauce 3]

I used the word cap, however I was just referring to that 850-1000 range.  I think what we can gather from all of this is that there is no perfect way of doing things in every situation. Sometimes it might be a good idea to burn extra fury, sometimes it might not be the best idea. Some people do it, some don't. Either way, the flexibility is what is confusing people. A lot of folks are so used to the mindset of 'give me a rotation/priority list and i'm good to go and will do awesome damage now.' It's not the case anymore with us, especially as Demo, where so many factors can affect your decision making. As a general rule of thumb in a single target situation, I am trying to not go far beyond 850 fury, as any fury not spent on DB is in theory a DPS loss.

Edited February 6, 2015 by Bombsauce

[Djargo 4]

Interesting.  Without 4p I am not sure how you are capping 1000 fury before your DB debuf falls.  I can't even do that with lust and Shards up...

 

Happened all the time for me on Iron Maidens. Soo much fury on that fight.