5.4 Warlock (Intellect) Trinkets

[Fik 0]

Hey all!

Long time reader first time poster...

Thanks to all for info posted here, taught me a lot. Only been playing wow for about 10 months.

I have run too many LFR but finally got Wush and Breath of Hydra LFR versions.

Should I run a haste build or mastery? Decent geared, but dps varies between raids a lot...

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/turalyon/Fik/advanced

Any help appreciated... I want to start raiding normal but guild not doing much now.... May need to change :(

Thanks! Keep up the hard work!

[obleak 10]

As affliction with your trinkets you need to be running Haste > Mastery

[Zagam 1,983]

Wush and Breath are pretty much the best trinkets for Affliction. Stack that Haste.

[JvChequer 43]

UVLS Dropped at Lei Shen last night on my first kill and a mage fire just need-it.

I hate my core.... full of ppl knowing shit about their class.:(

[obleak 10]

I'm very sorry to hear that JvChequer.. they don't realize how overpowered we are with that trinket.. it's made for either our class or shadow priests.. no other caster can do what we can with it..

[Zagam 1,983]

I'm not entirely sure how Elemental Shamans work. Flame Shock tick crits reduce the CD of Elemental Mastery? Honestly, unless every Flame Shock crit tick procs a mini Fire Elemental, it's not better for him than it is for Demonology Warlocks.

[gahhda 95]

EM is a talent now, and it doesn't function like that anymore.

The trinket isn't horrible for anyone, its at most ~2% behind BiS for other specs. Its arguably BiS for ele, very arguably. BiS for shadow, BiS for every lock spec.

[obleak 10]

Our boomkin said its poor for them. They nerfed it for them on their dots. Idk though. Doesn't mean its still not BIS

[Zagam 1,983]

For Demonology, I'm really wanting to replace my Heroic Wush with a Heroic Breath, but I'm not sure if it really matters. Breath has a TON of Haste which is awesome, especially considering the amount of Hit on Wush. Plus for fights where I dip back into Affliction, I think that Breath + Unerring or Breath + Wush will be highly competitive. Unerring is pretty good regardless of spec. There's just no question about it for Demonology.

[gahhda 95]

Our boomkin said its poor for them. They nerfed it for them on their dots. Idk though. Doesn't mean its still not BIS

Its 4k behind for balance. ~1.9%.

[Boradan 17]

Now Im confuzzled about the trinkets I should be using as affliction/destro.

I have woosh, breath and tonight got Unerring Vision.

Armory Link

Maybe time to try demo again.....

[obleak 10]

I would run Breath of Hydra and Uneering for demo.

[kaamila 0]

i saw on the affliction list that heroic + double upgraded LoTC is simming better than the vp trinket from shado-pan assault would like to know if this is accurate. as of last night i recieved the breath of the hydra(FINALLY GOT A NEW TRINK TO DROP!) and using heroic + double upgraded LoTC does give me that 13.7k haste breakpoint(cant reach it without it) + alittle more(14k haste with both haste trinkets). wondering if its better to use both haste trinkets to reach the 13.7k breakpoint will outperform the volatile talisman trink with all that int!

[Zagam 1,983]

The simulation DPS, which I believe I state in that post, is DPS that is calculated without proper human interjection and snap-shotting of stats. It's based off of purely doing your normal rotation and doing whatever with procs. Theoretically, I would be using Breath + Volatile Talisman. VT gives you 100% uptime on the +1400 Intellect it packs with it as well as giving an 8800 Haste proc. This proc lasts 20 seconds, but as Affliction, you can stretch that to 40+ seconds with almost all of your DoTs and almost a minute with Agony. LotC essentially gives you 100% uptime on 1200 Haste while giving you 30-40% uptime on 3500 Intellect. Doing a little paper-napkin math, you've got this:

LotC: 1200 Haste x 100% uptime + 3500 Intellect x 35% uptime = 1200 Haste + 1200 Intellect

VT: 8800 Haste x 20% uptime + 1400 Intellect x 100% uptime = 1600 Haste + 1400 Intellect

Volatile Talisman is going to be the winner here. Trinkets, aside from Unerring for Demonology, are going to be best prioritized by item level. Breath, Wush, Cha-Ye's, Unerring, and Volatile are going to all be better than the 5.1 trinkets. Enjoy your Breath of the Hydra! Not jealous by any means...

[kaamila 0]

ya figured as much just wanted to make sure cuz i iz no good at math :(

[schmearcampain 0]

How long do you think UVLS will be BiS for Demonology? Assuming of course that no other trinket in the future gives you a similar proc? I mean, the bazillion wild imps is a massive gamechanger, no?

Also, it's pretty nice that even the LFR version of UVLS still has the 100% crit/4 seconds. Sure it procs less often, but at least the proc itself is exactly the same as the Heroic Thunderforged version.

[gahhda 95]

How long do you think UVLS will be BiS for Demonology? Assuming of course that no other trinket in the future gives you a similar proc? I mean, the bazillion wild imps is a massive gamechanger, no?

Also, it's pretty nice that even the LFR version of UVLS still has the 100% crit/4 seconds. Sure it procs less often, but at least the proc itself is exactly the same as the Heroic Thunderforged version.

If it isn't nerfed, which it inevitably will be, the entirety of tier 16. They also just buffed it via making wild imps scale with haste on the ptr, they really are fucking stupid.

[Omaric 246]

If it isn't nerfed, which it inevitably will be, the entirety of tier 16. They also just buffed it via making wild imps scale with haste on the ptr, they really are fucking stupid.

Where can I find those kind of up-to-date changes?

[Zagam 1,983]

Wait, what? On the PTR, Imps scale with Haste? Burst is going to be even bigger. It'll make Haste the absolute stat and Imp Swarm non-negligible. Just give me back my 41 talents so I can feel like I THINK I have a choice and not being like other Warlocks...

[Sagnuts 1]

If it isn't nerfed, which it inevitably will be, the entirety of tier 16. They also just buffed it via making wild imps scale with haste on the ptr, they really are fucking stupid.

Link

[gahhda 95]

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/blog/7892888/53_PTR_Patch_Notes_-_April_22-23_04_2013#general

Classes:

The following summoned pets/totems will now chain cast their spells with no delay between casts, allowing them to cast their spells more frequently in the same amount of time.

Warlock: Doomguard, Terrorguard, Wild Imp

[Sagnuts 1]

http://eu.battle.net...04_2013#general

Classes:

The following summoned pets/totems will now chain cast their spells with no delay between casts, allowing them to cast their spells more frequently in the same amount of time.

Warlock: Doomguard, Terrorguard, Wild Imp

Nice!

[Zagam 1,983]

Won't be a buff to Wild Imps. They cast 10 bolts and that's it. Haste won't affect the number of casts, but it'll increase burst by making them cast faster. What I'm interested in is the assumed Doomguard Haste thresholds for more than 17 Doombolts. That could get interesting...

[Omaric 246]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm seeing my Wild Imps casting non-stop on the Live servers already. Not sure what that change would be for.

Edited May 3, 2013 by Omaric

[JvChequer 43]

The mage fire gave me the UVLS trinket after hours of wall text explaining why it sucks for mages, now, i need re-learn how to handle with so much Cds in Demonology to back to this amazing spec.