Outlaw Rogue 7.3

[Carrn 284]

4 minutes ago, ddkil said:

So,after a month of raiding I am kinda starting to be disappointed of outlaw.At first two weeks I was having so much fun and was top 3 dps 80% of time in my static but now I have no idea what happened to that class...I can barely reach top 5 these days and its so hard to keep up with all those mages,hunters and warriors who have such redicilous numbers.Maybe its just me being bad or our static being good i dont know,
I suspect that small Run through nerf couple of weeks ago made a big difference but who knows.And overall it still seems very inconsistant.I am fed up with wasting my entire COTDB just to reroll 1 buff.

Does anybody has similr thoughts? Currently we are on heroic xavius (not much of a progress but still)

I mean, Outlaw isn't in that bad a place. Overall it does the same damage as both other specs on single target encounters if you're playing it correctly

But yes, RtB is frustrating, and it sucks when you don't get good rolls

 

[Sylencer 1]

Yay macros!

OK. I'm pretty macro-heavy when I play.

Here's what I use:

Interrupts and subterfuge:
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:1/3, mod:shift] Pick Pocket; [stance:1/3] sap; [modifier:shift] Gouge; Kick

Spammer for CP:
#showtooltip [mod:shift] Gouge; Saber Slash
/cast [mod:shift] Gouge; Saber Slash
/startattack
/use [stance:0] 13
/use [stance:0] 14
/use [stance:0] 12

Finisher: (If you don't want to pop Dreadblades or Adrenaline Rush, hold down shift when you do it, for a quick finisher without wasting CD's.)
#showtooltip Run Through
/cast [nomod] Curse of the Dreadblades
/cast Marked for Death
/cast [nomod] Adrenaline Rush
/cast Run Through

Buff:
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift] Crimson Vial; Roll the Bones

Defense:
#showtooltip
/cast Cloak of Shadows
/cast Riposte
/cast Feint

Mobility:
#showtooltip
/cast [nomod] Sprint
/cast [mod:shift] Grappling Hook

 

Pretty much, the normal presses use the normally used abilities, the "shift" ones use the ones that are less commonly spammed, and the spammers also use the "nearly always use this cooldown on CD" CD's.

...And if you don't want to pop a few of your CD's, some of 'em have [nomod] in front of them, so a Shift or Alt would selectively not use those ones.

[Valks 2,407]

Already thanked you in the other thread, but thanks for posting them for Outlaw too! 

[Sylencer 1]

1 hour ago, Blainie said:

Already thanked you in the other thread, but thanks for posting them for Outlaw too! 

No probs!
Each post is spec-specific, with only the first one shared, as that one is used in all of 'em.

I have one in Assassination, too, but I need to tweak it a hair, once it's approved by a moderator.
With one o' the traits on the artifact weapon it's better to put the /cast Vendetta at the end of the combo point spender, as opposed to the opener and general spammer.

[Guest Barricade]

Can anyone tell me why most of the top raiding rogues have so much mastery in the amory and so low vers?

[Carrn 284]

15 hours ago, Guest Barricade said:

Can anyone tell me why most of the top raiding rogues have so much mastery in the amory and so low vers?

It's an easier stat to get

[Guest Auburnveil]

about mastery and vers, I came here looking for an answer as askmrrobot has started prioritising mastery over versatility in the last week or so, has something changed?

[Carrn 284]

On 13/10/2016 at 9:54 PM, Guest Auburnveil said:

about mastery and vers, I came here looking for an answer as askmrrobot has started prioritising mastery over versatility in the last week or so, has something changed?

You probably just have almost none

[Valks 2,407]

On 10/13/2016 at 9:54 PM, Guest Auburnveil said:

about mastery and vers, I came here looking for an answer as askmrrobot has started prioritising mastery over versatility in the last week or so, has something changed?

Stat priorities are fluid and can change depending on exactly how much of a certain stat you have. Some classes have certain stats that are always superior, others have weights that are much closer and that can change if you have, as Carrn says, nearly 0 of one stat.

[Guest Rogue101]

On ‎9‎/‎22‎/‎2016 at 1:08 PM, Blainie said:

Hi there. Nope, it didn't.

I know this was from a while ago, but how useful are top 10 rankings when we all know how RNG dependent top outlaw numbers are going to be?  The issue isn't whether outlaw holds the top numbers on the charts, but what you can expect from it on average.  Every time I've bothered to check logs to look at top DPS, I'm seeing people who got multiple 6 buffs, or had 3 buffs most of the fight.  That's great when it happens - I had a three 6 buffs on Xavius that put me way over everyone else in my raid, but you can't rely on that, and I think it makes those "top 10" lists meaningless.

[Carrn 284]

2 hours ago, Guest Rogue101 said:

I know this was from a while ago, but how useful are top 10 rankings when we all know how RNG dependent top outlaw numbers are going to be?  The issue isn't whether outlaw holds the top numbers on the charts, but what you can expect from it on average.  Every time I've bothered to check logs to look at top DPS, I'm seeing people who got multiple 6 buffs, or had 3 buffs most of the fight.  That's great when it happens - I had a three 6 buffs on Xavius that put me way over everyone else in my raid, but you can't rely on that, and I think it makes those "top 10" lists meaningless.

Top 10 rankings for Outlaw are kind of weird. What's important to look at are the 25th-75th percentiles of each spec, which show more of an average 

[Valks 2,407]

On 10/15/2016 at 10:30 PM, Guest Rogue101 said:

 I had a three 6 buffs on Xavius that put me way over everyone else in my raid, but you can't rely on that, and I think it makes those "top 10" lists meaningless.

It wasn't pressed here, but I actually had a similar discussion with another user in reference to Arcane Mages. I went on to discuss 75th percentiles and such, as well as how smaller pools can affect rankings. Scroll down in this thread and you'll find me discussing Assass vs. Outlaw, since the user was using it as a reference point to say the guides were wrong.

[Carrn 284]

2 hours ago, Blainie said:

It wasn't pressed here, but I actually had a similar discussion with another user in reference to Arcane Mages. I went on to discuss 75th percentiles and such, as well as how smaller pools can affect rankings. Scroll down in this thread and you'll find me discussing Assass vs. Outlaw, since the user was using it as a reference point to say the guides were wrong.

Yeah I find if very discouraging that people will refuse me a raid spot because I play Sub and they heard it's bad. Similarly, they heard that Brewmasters and Disc Priests suck - Sunnier was talking about this the other day on Twitter, how it sucks that the community at large is so influenced by what the "top parses" are or what the World Ranking guilds are playing.

Outlaw will ALWAYS be the top parsing spec on every single fight because people will roll 6 buffs 2-3 times in a fight and slaughter everybody's damage. It won't even be close. But those times are the statistical outliers, and looking at the averages for each spec shows a much clearer picture.

[Guest Xero]

Any chance you can change the colour of 4 in the first artifact picture.

To my eyes (and i presume many others) it looks like it goes all the way from hidden blade to blurred time.

Hopefully I haven't wasted too much AP by going to Blurred Time before Blunderbuss.

[Carrn 284]

3 hours ago, Guest Xero said:

Any chance you can change the colour of 4 in the first artifact picture.

To my eyes (and i presume many others) it looks like it goes all the way from hidden blade to blurred time.

Hopefully I haven't wasted too much AP by going to Blurred Time before Blunderbuss.

Agreed, the colours are very similar lol

So long as you went left first, it's not a big deal

[ddkil 3]

Is guide ever gonna be updated? LUL

[Guest Kazumi]

On 10/13/2016 at 3:54 PM, Guest Auburnveil said:

about mastery and vers, I came here looking for an answer as askmrrobot has started prioritising mastery over versatility in the last week or so, has something changed?

Askmrrobot prioritizes mastery > vert for me too, and its not that I dont have much. currently sitting at 57% mastery and it wants me to gem more to get to 61% when I only have 18% crit.  

[Valks 2,407]

On 10/20/2016 at 6:19 AM, ddkil said:

Is guide ever gonna be updated? LUL

What exactly do you think needs to be updated? Your comment doesn't really do anything to tell us what you believe is wrong.

[Valks 2,407]

4 hours ago, Guest Kazumi said:

Askmrrobot prioritizes mastery > vert for me too, and its not that I dont have much. currently sitting at 57% mastery and it wants me to gem more to get to 61% when I only have 18% crit.  

Unfortunately, I can't really speak for why AMR is doing that. I don't use it, I use SimCraft for everything stat-related that I need.

[Guest Blayke]

This may be a silly question, and I apologize if it's been asked before (although I didn't see it).  In the trinket section it says that the Infallible Tracking Charm is our third bis.  Is this referring to the 815 trinket?  I noticed there is a "[D]" after it, which made me wonder.  What does the "D" stand for; is it referring to something different than the trinket we all had in our bags when Legion started?

Again, sorry if this is a silly question, but the idea that that trinket is really 3rd bis seems a bit counter intuitive.  Thanks!  :)

[Guest Skippy!]

So with the recent change to Pot of the Old War and the addition of Pot of Prolonged Power, is Old War still the go-to battle pot, or should we be using Prolonged Power instead?

[GandalftheCaucasian 0]

Thoughts on the new potions? After the change to Pot of the Old War, I'm wondering if Pot of Prolonged Power might be the new go-to battle potion. Any testing been done on it yet?

[Damien 1,533]

I'm quoting Furty on Skype regarding the pots for now.

Quote

[26/10/16 02:06:48] Furty: Old war is better for bosses
[26/10/16 02:07:00] Furty: Prolonged Power is better for dungeons/heavy cleave
[26/10/16 02:07:10] Furty: going to add a pot section to every guide when I have exact math
[26/10/16 02:07:34] Furty: some classes, for example shadow priest, use deadly grace on the pull and 2.5k stat super late into surrender when they have 100 stacks

 

[Guest Petmaz90]

Hey guys, might be worth updating your guide a bit. 

Quick  Draw currently only pulls marginally less DPS that ghostly strike, virtually equal now in fact. 

Also a much higher quality of life, attaining rolls is ez pz.

[Guest rs77]

Trying to understand how you guys list this spec as being "strong" in progression. It's literally dead last. Simming is fine and dandy, but the vast vast majority of Outlaw Rogues are going to have horrible numbers due to the horrid implementation of RtB its inconsistency and heavily weighted RNG to favor a string of  bad rolls, as well as terrible scaling as gear level goes up.