Subtlety Rogue 7.3

[Carrn 284]

4 hours ago, ddkil said:

Guys,what loot spec is the best to choose when opening weekly chests?I am so fed up with that haste bullcrap (when subtletly loot spec is active).I literally now have 3 useless titanforged 950 gear pieces with haste that are worse than my current 920-930 pieces.I think i am gonna try assa next week.Blizzard thinks haste is the best stat for sub apparently.

It won't give you BiS stat items lol, it isn't designed to. All the leather armor and all the trinkets are shared for the loot tables that Rogues have - really the only difference is legendaries and relics, and even then a decent number of the relics are shared

If you think about it, your weekly chest is very unlikely to give you something that you want. It can give you any item from any dungeon that you could possibly pick up, there's no way to control it at all. I ended up sharding probably 18 of the last 20 pieces I picked up from my weekly chest.

 

[ddkil 3]

2 hours ago, Carrn said:

If you think about it, your weekly chest is very unlikely to give you something that you want. It can give you any item from any dungeon that you could possibly pick up, there's no way to control it at all. I ended up sharding probably 18 of the last 20 pieces I picked up from my weekly chest.

Ok,i see how it is now.I haven't gotten anything usefull in months as well.Everything that drops has haste on it (and when i played outlaw it usually dropped mastery) thats why I assumed it had something to do with a spec.

Thats so frustrating to dismantle 950 items...In the moments like these I wish we had reforging like in good old days lol.

[Guest Weakends]

Hi, I have a question on what the optimal AoE rotation/process for a mythic + for example? Shuriken Storm, Nightblading adds, DFA/Evis? Id just like to hear from someone how to tighten it up and what would be ideal. thanks in advance

[Carrn 284]

8 hours ago, Guest Weakends said:

Hi, I have a question on what the optimal AoE rotation/process for a mythic + for example? Shuriken Storm, Nightblading adds, DFA/Evis? Id just like to hear from someone how to tighten it up and what would be ideal. thanks in advance

Yeah, Storm everything, hit your main target with Nightblade, then spam out Evis / DfA.

Don't be afraid to use Shadow Dance on trash, especially if it will come back up in time for the next boss

[Guest Tom]

Here is a better macro for Shadowstrike and Shadow dance:

#showtooltip
/cast [stealth][stance:1][stance:2] Shadowstrike; [nostance] Shadow Dance;

 

[Valks 2,407]

On 11/7/2017 at 5:56 AM, Guest Tom said:

Here is a better macro for Shadowstrike and Shadow dance:

#showtooltip
/cast [stealth][stance:1][stance:2] Shadowstrike; [nostance] Shadow Dance;

 

I'll pass it on! :)

[ddkil 3]

Quite interesting switch up with t21.But I still kinda dont understand why crit/mastery takes up the upper hand over vers/mastery after acquairing t21 4 pieces.?Also all of a sudden rings are bis'es now ?! Is it because of high amount of cleave encounters in the antorus? Please explain :D

And I am a bit sad that there are not so much good trinkets for us in antorus...

Edited November 29, 2017 by ddkil

[Carrn 284]

5 hours ago, ddkil said:

Quite interesting switch up with t21.But I still kinda dont understand why crit/mastery takes up the upper hand over vers/mastery after acquairing t21 4 pieces.?Also all of a sudden rings are bis'es now ?! Is it because of high amount of cleave encounters in the antorus? Please explain :D

And I am a bit sad that there are not so much good trinkets for us in antorus...

So a couple things are going to happen that will influence Legendary choice, especially right now:

1. Mantle is not bad all of a sudden. It's still very strong. You don't use the rings until you get the 4-set anyways.
2. We cast a lot more Backstabs
3. 4pc t21 + 2pc t20 is very very good

The third one is the easiest to explain: using the Shoulders takes up a possible slot where we can use a 6-piece set. Being able to combine the extra damage from SoD (the t20 2-piece) with the cooldown reduction on that skill (t21 2-piece) is really nice.

In previous tiers, we avoided using Backstab as much as possible. It didn't have a point, because it did so little damage and gave us no other bonuses, preferring Shuriken Storm any time there was a second target in the area. Now, with the 4pc, Backstab has a very important role. A chance to refund every CP we spend is no joke, so we'll be using that a lot more

With more casts of Backstab comes an (obvious) increase in damage from that skill. Gloomblade is an easy way to not only buff the damage (through better scaling and ignoring armour) but also to no longer have a positioning requirement.

The new legendary ranking is basically a reflection of all of that. We're using more Single Target CP builders and more Energy in general, and being able to combine set bonuses

[ddkil 3]

1 hour ago, Carrn said:

The new legendary ranking is basically a reflection of all of that. We're using more Single Target CP builders and more Energy in general, and being able to combine set bonuses

Thanks alot for the explanation.But I have more questions :)

So,once I acquire 4 peace of t21,i should try to combine it with 2 piece of t20?And start to aim for the crit as a main stat right? (assuming I have both rings,which I have).Also within what ilvl difference is it worth to use t20 pieces over new gear?

And the last question,how good is Forgefiends Fabricator trinket?I just got it as 930,but I am currently using spectral+EoE both 925?

[Carrn 284]

17 hours ago, ddkil said:

Thanks alot for the explanation.But I have more questions :)

So,once I acquire 4 peace of t21,i should try to combine it with 2 piece of t20?And start to aim for the crit as a main stat right? (assuming I have both rings,which I have).Also within what ilvl difference is it worth to use t20 pieces over new gear?

And the last question,how good is Forgefiends Fabricator trinket?I just got it as 930,but I am currently using spectral+EoE both 925?

Forgefiends is really lacklustre, I'd avoid using it

Yes, you should try and run 4pc t21 and 2pc t20. As for ilevel differences I don't know off the top of my head, Sims should be able to help you there

[ddkil 3]

How to correctly use dreadlords deceit?Should it always be used with 30 stacks and with SD+SoD?

I've seen logs from High command,portal keeper and eonar where most dps rogues used mantle+cloak but I personally cant use it at all.Mobs spawn too often for cloak to justify itself.Id rather just spam suriken storm in order to obtain CPs to extend my shadow blades (with bracers) or even use something else as a legendary,at least on high command and portal keeper for sure.

Edited December 4, 2017 by ddkil

[Silvya 0]

Well each of your shuriken storm will benefit from at least one stack of the cloak..

[ddkil 3]

34 minutes ago, Silvya said:

Well each of your shuriken storm will benefit from at least one stack of the cloak..

That is obvious,but is it worth tho?I dont know about that.There is probably more rational use of cloak besides spaming it with 1 stack.

Edited December 4, 2017 by ddkil

[Valks 2,407]

On 12/4/2017 at 9:50 AM, ddkil said:

That is obvious,but is it worth tho?I dont know about that.There is probably more rational use of cloak besides spaming it with 1 stack.

You won't be spamming it. Playing with Deceit is somewhat difficult to do properly, but it's incredibly effective when you do on Eonar. You can pretty comfortably prepare 2-3 30 stack uses of SS during the fight, given the downtime you'll face. The only time where you should continue to spam is when you have just dropped a large stack SS (20+) and there is still a group of 4+ mobs to AoE down.

[Guest TimeMaster]

Hey, nice guide. I really enjoy reading it, i have a question though. What's the time length in which i should be expecting to farm a full legendary set ,the most "optimal" one. I there any chance i could farm this in a month? 

[Carrn 284]

1 hour ago, Guest TimeMaster said:

Hey, nice guide. I really enjoy reading it, i have a question though. What's the time length in which i should be expecting to farm a full legendary set ,the most "optimal" one. I there any chance i could farm this in a month? 

No, not without some absolutely insane luck

[ddkil 3]

Finally first of the dead dropped.So,it seems like mantle+gloves with t20(2)+t21(2) is pretty strong so how do I correctly use gloves?

Is it best to symbols first then backstab into dfa+SD or wait for 6 cp then dfa+SD+symbols simultaneously?How do I correctly play with that?

After playing few month with only bracers build the cds and timings on symbols/dfa look weird to me in that build. :/

[Guest Sue]

I noticed that Insignia of the Grand Army hasn't been added to the legendary list. Is it utterly worthless or is someone working on it?

[Guest Rainheart]

Latest simulations say best legendaries are mantle + hands https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/combinations/1t-t21-rogue-subtlety

Maybe it's time to update the guide, also I think that will have a big impact on the stat weights?

[ddkil 3]

So,Idk about t21 4 piece set bonus.Either its shit or sims are broken but my 4 piece heroic sims even worse then 2 low t20 pieces (930 and 915) + 2 heroic pieces t21 no matter what.Rings build + t21(4)/t20(2) also falls behind to mantle+hands with t21(2)/t20(2) build.

Edited December 20, 2017 by ddkil

[Valks 2,407]

On 12/13/2017 at 10:19 AM, ddkil said:

Is it best to symbols first then backstab into dfa+SD or wait for 6 cp then dfa+SD+symbols simultaneously?How do I correctly play with that?

Realistically, it honestly doesn't matter much. You won't get more than a single use of generator with gloves buff. You'll need to pick based on your current energy levels, as well as if there's AoE. If there's AoE, you prioritise the first route (Symbols, BS, DFA) because you'll want to buff the aoe jump from DFA. Otherwise, just pick based on normal rotation priority for that. 

[Valks 2,407]

On 12/20/2017 at 2:08 PM, Guest Sue said:

I noticed that Insignia of the Grand Army hasn't been added to the legendary list. Is it utterly worthless or is someone working on it?

It varies entirely based on what you have in the NLC. It can verge on completely useless with awful rolls on relics, or OK with good ones. It's pretty easy to sim it though - you'll need crucible information from an addon to do so though, since RaidBots won't pick it up automatically. Use the SimC addon for this.

[Valks 2,407]

20 hours ago, Guest Rainheart said:

Latest simulations say best legendaries are mantle + hands https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/combinations/1t-t21-rogue-subtlety

Maybe it's time to update the guide, also I think that will have a big impact on the stat weights?

I've made a note for Furty with links to current top logs too - we should have it updated soon!

[Valks 2,407]

20 hours ago, ddkil said:

So,Idk about t21 4 piece set bonus.Either its shit or sims are broken but my 4 piece heroic sims even worse then 2 low t20 pieces (930 and 915) + 2 heroic pieces t21 no matter what.Rings build + t21(4)/t20(2) also falls behind to mantle+hands with t21(2)/t20(2) build.

An update clarifying all of this should be on its way soon - shoulders + gloves or shoulders + cloak seems to be best in Antorus, depending on ST/AoE.

[ddkil 3]

15 hours ago, Blainie said:

An update clarifying all of this should be on its way soon - shoulders + gloves or shoulders + cloak seems to be best in Antorus, depending on ST/AoE.

Its not even about legendary composition.Almost every sim that Ive done showed 4 piece t21 worse than everything else with t20 combination  even despite big  ilvl difference.Maybe its just my character though.But I think blizzard will change the 4th set bonus in the future,4% seems too low and random to make any impact.

Edited December 22, 2017 by ddkil