T16 Warlock Style - Heroic & Mythic

[Zagam 1,983]

So on Heroic Malkorok, I understand the mechanic of orbs removing shield and doing damage and why they are soaked during the phase where you can get healed up... however...

 

I am curious if Dark Bargain would allow you to soak outside of that phase.  Would the talent allow you to soak a bunch within the 8 second window (preventing the 150k dmg per) and get a big heal just before it expires to get a shield on you to soak the 50% dmg ticks?

 

We run with 2 locks in our 10 man, which if this worked could really help keep a large portion of the room less cluttered in the first phase, or less cluttered around players that derp repeatedly on hitting orbs...

You absolutely do NOT want to soak AT ALL during P1 UNLESS you have a COMPLETE immunity such as Cloak of Shadows, Deterrence, etc.  Remember, even if you don't eat the 150k damage, you'll be losing your shield regardless.  The Ancient Miasma does 40k per second on top of all the damage you'd be eating over time.  Your healers would have to blow their load to top you back off.  What happens if while you were doing this you got knocked up in the air and then took fall damage while the DB bleed is happening on you? 

 

TL;DR: no, don't do it.  Take Soul Link with GoSac for a HUGE health pool which is actually beneficial here because your shield's maximum is your max HP giving you way higher survivability (I've eaten a Breath and taken 75k damage).

[Soulzar 42]

You absolutely do NOT want to soak AT ALL during P1 UNLESS you have a COMPLETE immunity such as Cloak of Shadows, Deterrence, etc.  Remember, even if you don't eat the 150k damage, you'll be losing your shield regardless.  The Ancient Miasma does 40k per second on top of all the damage you'd be eating over time.  Your healers would have to blow their load to top you back off.  What happens if while you were doing this you got knocked up in the air and then took fall damage while the DB bleed is happening on you? 

 

TL;DR: no, don't do it.  Take Soul Link with GoSac for a HUGE health pool which is actually beneficial here because your shield's maximum is your max HP giving you way higher survivability (I've eaten a Breath and taken 75k damage).

 

Ok so 100% immunities do work to prevent the 150k dmg per.  I understand its not an ideal solution dealing with the after effects of the delayed dmg, just thinking ahead to possible options.

 

The above was theorized with the assumption that I would not randomly go running around to soak up orbs, but time between events that can cause damage to raid members.  I assume Seismic Slam has a timer?  We can port to avoid fall dmg.

 

So 40k every 2s for Miasma would equate to 10k/s ticks after DB wears off.  Each Orb soaked would add 9,375 dmg to that.  Even if you soaked 5 orbs, your barely breaking 55k/s healing required for 8 seconds... I don't feel that would force healers to blow their loads.  That's roughly the same amount of dmg taken soaking Imploding Energy.  We can soak the first 2-3 ticks with Shadow Ward.

 

I think we have enough players in our raid with 100% that we would not have to worry about testing this, if we find it needed at all to soak any during this portion of the fight, was just curious if others had tried and what their results were.

[Typecast 16]

What happens if while you were doing this you got knocked up in the air and then took fall damage while the DB bleed is happening on you?

But you shouldn't be taking fall damage with teleport.

[Zagam 1,983]

Well, more often than not, wherever I put my teleport, Malkorok puts a ball of light right where it is.  So I use it to get out of stacking during P2 to get back and absorb balls before Ancient Miasma is activated again.  I'm not going to keep spending globals to drop my teleport.

[Nyanchan 2]

Well, more often than not, wherever I put my teleport, Malkorok puts a ball of light right where it is.  So I use it to get out of stacking during P2 to get back and absorb balls before Ancient Miasma is activated again.  I'm not going to keep spending globals to drop my teleport.

 

He only puts balls over you, you can even stack them for easier clearing later. Put your teleport, move a bit away and everytime a ball appears just move a bit away. I used to trap myself till i notice how easy is to keep entire areas clear.

[Nytemare 2]

for the fights that say any T5 which one should be default I am 543 so should I just take GoSac on them or use the imp?:

 

So for DSI use it on Cd unless excute will be here before 2 min is up or if Gen is about to go zerker stance - I still use it on open and right now just pop it ever 2min  or 1min if I taking Darkness - trying to get my dps up - our frost mage blows me out of the water in dps and I usually between 160-185K and would like to be even higher - I know I doing everything right, just think I not using DSi correctly - by the way I been doing on destro on all fights - we just 1 shotted boss 1-5 this week so we working on Iron and Shamans

 

 

We wiped and wiped on Shaman fight- we can get them to 40-45% hp than we just die and crap, got any tips - we put all range on slimes and they run and wait for the slims to come back to us and that works out good until 45% and so mark. 

Edited October 17, 2013 by Nytemare

[Zagam 1,983]

He only puts balls over you, you can even stack them for easier clearing later. Put your teleport, move a bit away and everytime a ball appears just move a bit away. I used to trap myself till i notice how easy is to keep entire areas clear.

This isn't true at all.  I never stand in my teleport, and at some point during the fight, he puts a ball there.  Not sure if the game tracks all recent placements, but the very first thing I do before fight even starts is put down my Teleport.  I NEVER stand in it, yet a ball always seems to form there.  I've had one attempt where it did not and I didn't get thrown up in the air.

[Zagam 1,983]

for the fights that say any T5 which one should be default I am 543 so should I just take GoSac on them or use the imp?:

 

So for DSI use it on Cd unless excute will be here before 2 min is up or if Gen is about to go zerker stance - I still use it on open and right now just pop it ever 2min  or 1min if I taking Darkness - trying to get my dps up - our frost mage blows me out of the water in dps and I usually between 160-185K and would like to be even higher - I know I doing everything right, just think I not using DSi correctly - by the way I been doing on destro on all fights - we just 1 shotted boss 1-5 this week so we working on Iron and Shamans

 

 

We wiped and wiped on Shaman fight- we can get them to 40-45% hp than we just die and crap, got any tips - we put all range on slimes and they run and wait for the slims to come back to us and that works out good until 45% and so mark. 

DS:I proper use isn't going to explode your DPS.  If you're still doing 160-185k at 543 item level, it might be time to look at some logs because there is something else going on.  For you, unless you have KTT, the choice between T5 talents is irrelevant. 

 

For Dark Shamans, there is no need to put all range on.  I don't know your comp, but I know you can solo them.  When Foul Stream pops out, put Rain of Fire up, flip on Fire and Brimstone, and open with a Conflagrate to snare them.  Then Incinerate spam your heart out until they're all gone.  Everyone else should stay on the boss.  If you're wiping at 45%, my guess is your healers don't prepare or coordinate for Falling Ash.  Falling Ash + random Tornado damage ticks can spell doom for anyone.  I'll bet you 50k gold that if you posted a log, I could find TONS of avoidable damage hitting your raid. 

[Rakupenda 15]

This isn't true at all.  I never stand in my teleport, and at some point during the fight, he puts a ball there.  Not sure if the game tracks all recent placements, but the very first thing I do before fight even starts is put down my Teleport.  I NEVER stand in it, yet a ball always seems to form there.  I've had one attempt where it did not and I didn't get thrown up in the air.

I think you solved your issue with your last statement. They probably spawn when you teleport after getting thrown up into the air. As he said, don't stand on it and move off of it as soon as you have sure-footing again. I've never had this issue as long as I stood a few yards away from it.

[Zagam 1,983]

It's very clearly RNG...I've had the poor end of it, as always, similar to trinket drops.  I'm not surprised.  I deal with it.  2 weeks ago, #1 parse.  Last week, #1 parse reclaimed.  This week, 349k and only back to #13.  It's that damn PBI not dropping for me.

[Omaric 246]

It's very clearly RNG...I've had the poor end of it, as always, similar to trinket drops.  I'm not surprised.  I deal with it.  2 weeks ago, #1 parse.  Last week, #1 parse reclaimed.  This week, 349k and only back to #13.  It's that damn PBI not dropping for me.

 

I can't hear you over how awesome KTT and PBI are working for me.  Please don't ban.

[Zagam 1,983]

Heroic KTT gave me 32% uptime on Toxic Power.  5.8% damage from Multistrike.  I am pleased.  However, nothing is more infuriating than starting to cast Chaos Bolt for a 10 stack of Black Blood mega nuclear strike only to have to move from something.  Damn is that frustrating.  I accidentally pressed my push-to-talk button during one of those incidents so now I'm referred to as the raging Warlock.  I raged a bit.  Well, a lot.  Nothing worse than having to move and give up 1,000,000+ damage.

[Omaric 246]

Ewwwwwww. 

 

Edit:  Also, 32% uptime on which boss?  Or overall?  Because I've been hovering around 13-16% so far.  WTB 32%.

[Brown 14]

Heroic KTT gave me 32% uptime on Toxic Power.  5.8% damage from Multistrike.  I am pleased.  However, nothing is more infuriating than starting to cast Chaos Bolt for a 10 stack of Black Blood mega nuclear strike only to have to move from something.  Damn is that frustrating.  I accidentally pressed my push-to-talk button during one of those incidents so now I'm referred to as the raging Warlock.  I raged a bit.  Well, a lot.  Nothing worse than having to move and give up 1,000,000+ damage.

Accident...that's what I call it but I think my guild knew I raged a lot shortly after I joined.

 

EDIT: I mostly rage at one of our raiders (ele sham) who got bumped up to the big leagues who rolled heroic PBI. And the spriest that rolled it. And the BotH I still use. 

Edited October 17, 2013 by Brown

[Zagam 1,983]

Ewwwwwww. 

 

Edit:  Also, 32% uptime on which boss?  Or overall?  Because I've been hovering around 13-16% so far.  WTB 32%.

Going to have to look up my logs to see it...pretty sure that was my uptime on Malkorok.  I can't look them up at work (fuckin' IT blocking WoL but not some other scummy shit).  US-Cho'gall, Devierum.  Also to note, as always, Destructive Influence proc'd 2 times in 6 minutes, and I didn't even get a full proc on one cuz it happened at the very end.  Unreal how bad that set bonus is.

[Zagam 1,983]

It's got a 0.92 RPPM, so you'd expect 16% (1 per minute, 10 second duration).  I think the 0.92 RPPM is for 553 ilvl, so my RPPM is around 1.05, so minimum should be 20%.  I know I got good RNG on Toxic Totem, but piss poor RNG elsewhere.  Incinerate is higher than CB damage on that fight because of all the bloody movement required.  I still beat our 2nd place DPS by 75k.  Not sure I can give all the credit to KTT's procs. 

 

On my Dark Shamans kill, I was #10, but I've slid to #17.  I just got some really good synergy with my trinkets....pretty sure BB overlapped with a ton of my KTT procs. 

 

When/if I get PBI, I'm tearing down the roof. 

[Rakupenda 15]

 Also to note, as always, Destructive Influence proc'd 2 times in 6 minutes, and I didn't even get a full proc on one cuz it happened at the very end.  Unreal how bad that set bonus is.

It is pretty bad... Not only do you need a conflag crit (Optimistically ~1/2 chance on average with various int/crit procs), but the crits only offer a 20% (1/5) chance to proc the 2p, so 1/10 Conflagrates procs the bonus. What's CD on conflagrate, 15 seconds? On a 15 second CD...that's 2 1/2 minutes per proc single target. Multi target fights it's better, I see it proccing on Siegecrafter a lot (mainly because conflag is hitting 5-10 targets).  And it's 10% crit that only affects Immolate/Incinerate...Moar ember generation.

 

It should be like 10% per Conflag cast that way it will proc the same amount on multi target fights.

[Omaric 246]

Yeah but the 2-piece WRECKS phase 1 Garrosh, and we all know that's when the damage reaaaaaaally counts.  Roite?

[Brown 14]

[Zagam 1,983]

RNG being the bitch of RNG who hates RNG has been a growing problem in this expansion.  I've NEVER remembered such RNG that can sway fights except for Demonology Heroic Spine.  If you didn't get 4 Impending Doom procs in between plate lifts, you were worthless to your raid. 

 

It's really awful.  Even if you were at 50% Crit, theoretically, you'd only get 1 chance per 2 Conflagrates.  20% proc rate means you'd see 1 every 10 Conflagrates, maybe.  It really should be 20% on Conflagrate Crit.  Period.  Maybe Blizz will take note and make the bonus relatively good. 2 procs in 6 minutes is absurd.  That's worst case scenario UVLS shit right there.

[Ilion 8]

Going for Galakras HC tonight, any cool tip to share?

[Zagam 1,983]

If you don't have an Elemental Shaman, stay on the ground and AoE.  If you do, volunteer to be the protector of the tower people.  Stun the add with Shadowfury and blow him up without prejudice.  Use Havoc as much as possible, and use your Teleport to get around.  I volunteer to be the first tower shooter, and we have an Ele Shaman, so I run around and up towers a lot with a big pause in any effective DPS because I'm in a cannon waiting to shoot Galak. 

 

If you're on the tower team, use CDs on the dudes at the top of the towers.  Not dealing with their AoE cleave/knockback is nice.  When you make it to Phase 2, stack with your raid and allow yourself up to 4 stacks of the stacking debuff.  If you get 4, move out of the ranks and let it fall off.  Sacrifice a Voidwalker for the 30% stam CD, use the Healthstone Glyph, and consider Dark Regen if your healers aren't awesome.  Otherwise, pop all your CDs and kill Galak before he kills you.

[Ilion 8]

Thanks Zag, I think I'll be stuck with AoE duty because I'm still rolling 5.2 VP trinket+ Normal Lei Shen (If you can find someone as unlucky as me, please, let me know), so my dps on single target is not what it should be, I think I'll be able to take it easy.

 

Thanks for the void sac tip, don't usually remember the fella is a bit useful sometimes.

[Nytemare 2]

DS:I proper use isn't going to explode your DPS.  If you're still doing 160-185k at 543 item level, it might be time to look at some logs because there is something else going on.  For you, unless you have KTT, the choice between T5 talents is irrelevant. 

 

For Dark Shamans, there is no need to put all range on.  I don't know your comp, but I know you can solo them.  When Foul Stream pops out, put Rain of Fire up, flip on Fire and Brimstone, and open with a Conflagrate to snare them.  Then Incinerate spam your heart out until they're all gone.  Everyone else should stay on the boss.  If you're wiping at 45%, my guess is your healers don't prepare or coordinate for Falling Ash.  Falling Ash + random Tornado damage ticks can spell doom for anyone.  I'll bet you 50k gold that if you posted a log, I could find TONS of avoidable damage hitting your raid. 

 

don't know if this is what you wanted but here http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rx9wtudykt2d1f15/ - or you want this http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rx9wtudykt2d1f15/sum/damageDone/

 

for KTT got LFR so I know my trinkets not the best over like our mage but still she frost and tops the chars non-stop even when I doing all the work on adds

Comp: Pally(DPS), Mage(Frost DPS), Druid(Tank), Druid(Healer), Priest(Healer), Shammy(Elem Dps), Warrior(Tank), Hunter (BM DPS), Pally (Healer), and Me Warlock (Destro)

 

Also maybe I reforged  wrong, I look at you and you reforge into haste, whereas I doing just Mastery than Crit and given up haste

Edited October 17, 2013 by Nytemare

[Omaric 246]

don't know if this is what you wanted but here http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rx9wtudykt2d1f15/ - for KTT got LFR so I know my trinkets not the best over like our mage but still she frost and tops the chars non-stop with 200K+ even when I doing all the work on adds

Comp: Pally(DPS), Mage(Frost DPS), Druid(Tank), Druid(Healer), Priest(Healer), Shammy(Elem Dps), Warrior(Tank), Hunter (BM DPS), Pally (Healer), and Me Warlock (Destro)

 

Also maybe I reforged  wrong, I look at you and you reforge into haste, whereas I doing just Mastery than Crit and given up haste

 

The biggest issue I'm seeing, and I'm looking at your Iron Juggernaut kill here, is your ability to line up procs.

 

You definitely need to be using Dark Soul on CD for this fight.  You have PBI, which means you are going to get a HUGE buff every 2 minutes with those 2 buffs combined.  The more you hold off on DS, the further apart these procs will be and the more chance you have of never seeing them proc together again.

 

It was almost an 8 minute fight for you and you have 5 synapse spring uses.  You can definitely get 7 and you should use them on CD so that every 2nd one lines up with DS.

 

Otherwise there is a part in the fight where you dip below 50k DPS.  I have to assume you got knocked back, so work on your positioning for the fight so that you get knocked into a wall.

 

Do you have addons that track your CD's?  That can really help if you're having trouble figuring out what's available and when.

 

Edit: Also, mastery > crit > haste is fine for Destruction. Zagam is constantly changing because he has stat ADD and he likes messing with people who treat his Armory like a Bible.