KoragonArt 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2014 Kinda feel like they went too far. Demo feels pretty weak. I tried destro right after some quick testing and it feels far stronger. It's funny, because the spots demo locks occupied on the meters are just going to be replaced by the same warlocks, just as destro. Nothing will change, the same numbers will come from a different spec. Guess blizz just doesn't like demo? Either way, pretty annoying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,983 Report post Posted October 19, 2014 We could be nerfed 40% and still be overpowered for current content. If you can't clear Mythic SoO now, don't even bother trying to do Mythic in WoD. It's trivialized to the point I'm considering playing with my monitor off. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted October 19, 2014 Im going to play fully zoomed in on Wednesday. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gahhda 95 Report post Posted October 19, 2014 I recently came to the conclusion that trying to explain how demonology works to fucktards on mmo-c isn't worth my time and effort :). 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oldtrout 7 Report post Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Im going to play fully zoomed in on Wednesday. I used to try and get everybody in my guild to do phase 2 of Thok in first person camera. Then when the last person being chased is all the way down the corridor, we'd hide in the little jail area and they'd be all lost and confused. yes, the idea for the second part was inspired by what used to happen to me at school Edited October 19, 2014 by Oldtrout Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BaleFire 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2014 So is demo still viable? Please say yes, it's my favorite spec and I want to play it so bad... I think they fucked us to hard with this one, I am going to run Destro with another lock running demo, but really, 10 to 20 across the board is going to make us worthless. To top it off they took away or nurfed our raid utility, blizzards hates us, time to play a new class... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gahhda 95 Report post Posted October 19, 2014 I think they fucked us to hard with this one, I am going to run Destro with another lock running demo, but really, 10 to 20 across the board is going to make us worthless. To top it off they took away or nurfed our raid utility, blizzards hates us, time to play a new class... First, wasn't a 20% nerf. That would assume that pets do 0% of your dps. Second, demo is fine. Destruction will beat it on low-movement fights most of the time, but the content is so easy now it doesn't matter. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted October 19, 2014 Demo and Destro are both simming fairly close for me post nerf. I'll be sticking with Demo most of the time. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kazistrasz 216 Report post Posted October 19, 2014 I think they fucked us to hard with this one, I am going to run Destro with another lock running demo, but really, 10 to 20 across the board is going to make us worthless. To top it off they took away or nurfed our raid utility, blizzards hates us, time to play a new class... Every OP spec and class gets a nerf. Every UP spec ia getting some love. Like gahhda aaid, it's not 20%. If it was all spells, that would be about 14% when you include for 30% is of DPS being pets. Then, it's not quite every spell at a full 20. Looking dmore like 12% nerf. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lockybalboa 618 Report post Posted October 19, 2014 dmore ia This is why you don't teach English. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gahhda 95 Report post Posted October 19, 2014 Every OP spec and class gets a nerf. Every UP spec ia getting some love. Like gahhda aaid, it's not 20%. If it was all spells, that would be about 14% when you include for 30% is of DPS being pets. Then, it's not quite every spell at a full 20. Looking dmore like 12% nerf. Side note, I think wild imps are bugged right now. They generate DF normally, 10 instances per imp spawn, but they only show 1/2 the firebolts they should in the report. Might get demo ~2.7% more dps or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KoragonArt 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2014 So wait, have the changes gone live or will it be at the regular Tuesday restarts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lockybalboa 618 Report post Posted October 20, 2014 So wait, have the changes gone live or will it be at the regular Tuesday restarts? Tuesday, unless they restart before that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nytemare 2 Report post Posted October 20, 2014 Is PBI not worth it for demo anymore? I been seen some locks using both KTT + BBoY and doing strong dps. Also AMR seems to like that combo as well (of course AMR has lot of bugs right now, so I doubt you can trust it) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zilthy 36 Report post Posted October 20, 2014 I had considered that myself Nytmare, especially considering that both my KTT and BBoY are MWF and PBI is only Mythic. The thing that keeps me with PBI is that it is a fairly predictable proc compared to the other two, that lines up well with Dark Soul for a tasty fury dump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nytemare 2 Report post Posted October 20, 2014 I had considered that myself Nytmare, especially considering that both my KTT and BBoY are MWF and PBI is only Mythic. The thing that keeps me with PBI is that it is a fairly predictable proc compared to the other two, that lines up well with Dark Soul for a tasty fury dump. So far for me my pbi like to not proc until 20-30 sec into fight when ktt proc it gone, and first DS is used up. so I end up using second charge of DS (have AD) for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spikeysquad 50 Report post Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) So wait, have the changes gone live or will it be at the regular Tuesday restarts? They restarted the European servers Sunday morning so I assume that the changes are live here.... I wish that hotfix applications were made clearer if they are live or not. I have seen it mentioned though that instance servers aren't hotfixed so get to be very OP in raids for a couple more days. Edited October 20, 2014 by spikeysquad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,983 Report post Posted October 20, 2014 PBI is still worth 9.5%-9.7% additional Mastery, Haste, and Crit damage. I have no idea why this is even a question. Stop and think about it. Additional Haste all the time = good. Additional Mastery all the time = flat DPS gain. Additional Crit damage = bonus to Chaos Bolt (yay), bonus to Soul Fire (yay) - both of which are guaranteed every time you do it. Then there are other spells that will suddenly gain an additional 9.5-9.7% crit damage ALL THE TIME. Then you have a reliable buff that comes every 2:00. Yes, it trolls you sometimes, but again, I point out the automatics. Compare this to only Haste (about 10%, so what PBI gives you) and a stacking buff with a 0.92 RPPM that almost always procs in opener and then can leave you high and dry with BBoY. Compare this to only Multistrike (decent) and a static buff with a 0.92 RPPM that almost always procs in opener and can leave you high and dry later. Why is it even a debate of PBI vs the rest? PBI is BiS - always will be until you start leveling again. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kazistrasz 216 Report post Posted October 20, 2014 Rul #1: The more focus you spend on gear, the less focus you spend on actually increasing your DPS. Rule #2: Never judge anything off of armory. Some people logout in specific setups afterror testing, doing different content, or just trolling. Rule #3: Just because you see a few warlocks doing something, it doesn't mean it's actually good to do. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soulzar 42 Report post Posted October 20, 2014 And I am pretty sure this was a band-aid just for the next few weeks at 90. Kinda sad that we need 20% nerfdaids for 30s-90s parses .. for 3 weeks... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gahhda 95 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 False alarm bros. Apparently the EFFECTIVE DPS of the PET is calculated elsewhere. It was reporting half the # of executes of firebolt, but because the pets dps was actually correct nothing changed, just fixed a reporting bug :). # of firebolt casts from wild imp bros should match now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,983 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 wild imp bros Ugh, never going to get this out of my head now. "C'mon, need more Imp bros!" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bombsauce 3 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 I'm interested to see what happens tonight after the 'nerfs' are applied. I'm still getting used to Demo but i've been practicing. The one thing that is confusing to me is the Chaos Wave/HoG charges. If i'm aoeing adds is it worth popping out of demo and HoG'ing them for shadowflame, or should I just chaos wave? Also, for single target, if I am in Meta, and I have Chaos Wave/HoG charges, is it worth spending them? I'm getting anywhere from 60k to 90k crits with it depending on procs......Anyways, thanks for all the work yall have done. I have been mostly lurking and haven't been posting much. Going to try and change that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eddie 16 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 Depends on the adds. If they will die from Chaos Waves, or shortly after, go for it, because the demonic fury refund will be huge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sabertorous 0 Report post Posted October 21, 2014 Something to remember for all the nerf worry warts, Warlocks have 3 raid viable specs, who else can say that. I'm excited that I will be able to switch between destro and demo one fight to the next. Also, no matter what blizz will never be able to nerf the Warlock community, so we will always be at or near the top. Best class guides, we had the best class raid guides, strong class with the best support. Back to guide questions please, like hand of guldan use during build phase, do you always wait till you have 2 stacks, or use one at a time and try to time 2 stacks for burst phase? And what proc do you always try to line dark soul up with, or just with at least 2 other procs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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