5.4 Destruction Tips and Quirks

[Lockybalboa 618]

Just as long as you remember only damage done to Skeer really matters.  Having big numbers here only looks impressive if it's helping you kill Skeer first.  Using Havoc to pad here may make you look good to some scrubs, but the real raiders will be able to find out if you're making your numbers artificially larger.

 

 

No, damage on both of the opening bosses matter. Most guilds I've seen lately cheese the bloods by opening on one of the other two bugs for the first 3-5 seconds so that the bloods on cast on him then switching and burning Skeer before the second round of bloods comes out or if the second set of bloods does come out Skeer is at less then 15% Hp and the bloods can be stunned once and ignored.

 

In ten man with two warlocks both using glyphed Havoc we had issues with to much damage being done to Skeer and thus setting the bloods on him, but that's easy fixed. 25m even with three warlocks running glyph of Havoc and using a double opener my kills didn't have issues.

[JvChequer 43]

Just as long as you remember only damage done to Skeer really matters.  Having big numbers here only looks impressive if it's helping you kill Skeer first.  Using Havoc to pad here may make you look good to some scrubs, but the real raiders will be able to find out if you're making your numbers artificially larger.

 

I know, havoc in opening it's used to generate more embers, it's not about the dmg done overall but the dmg done at Skeer, u can easily pull out 4 CB when double-incinerate/conflagrate/immolate 2 boss in same time.

[Zagam 1,983]

No, damage on both of the opening bosses matter. Most guilds I've seen lately cheese the bloods by opening on one of the other two bugs for the first 3-5 seconds so that the bloods on cast on him then switching and burning Skeer before the second round of bloods comes out or if the second set of bloods does come out Skeer is at less then 15% Hp and the bloods can be stunned once and ignored.

 

In ten man with two warlocks both using glyphed Havoc we had issues with to much damage being done to Skeer and thus setting the bloods on him, but that's easy fixed. 25m even with three warlocks running glyph of Havoc and using a double opener my kills didn't have issues.

You guys are doing it wrong.  Best way to do this is have two people who don't have burst CDs or trinkets attack Rikkal while everyone else waits the 2.5 seconds it takes for him to cast Bloodletting.  As soon as the Bloods spawn, EVERYONE hard switches to Skeer.  If you do 0.5% of Rikkal's HP pool and don't do shit to Skeer, bloods go right for Rikkal.  This way you don't collectively waste 3 seconds of 10 second trinket procs.  Using Havoc to shift this isn't going to overcompensate for simply waiting 3 seconds.  Doing it this way allows us to not even see the 2nd spawning of the Bloods.

 

I think we let our worst DPS attack Rikkal while everyone else waits for the Bloods to come out.  I still pre-pot and get 15 seconds of it with Skeer.  I just watch my DBM timer for Bloodletting and AS SOON as they spawn, I apply Havoc to Rikkal, pop CoE (glyphed to hit all 3), then open a can of whoopass on Skeer so that 100% of my KTT proc (and all other procs) is spent doing effective damage.

[Lockybalboa 618]

Best way to do this is have two people who don't have burst CDs or trinkets attack Rikkal

 

 

25m is like herding cats, most cases it's easier to say "you 20 do this and then this" then it is to say "you two do this, you three do that, you 17 wait here and then do this after that happens"

[Zagam 1,983]

It was pretty easy to convince everyone to not attack at all when I mentioned they were losing 20-30% of their trinket burst on a target where damage didn't matter.  I just said 'how about we don't attack Rikkal and let the tanks do that.'  You could literally hear the lightbulbs dinging over Mumble.

[Lockybalboa 618]

 You could literally hear the lightbulbs dinging over Mumble.

 

 

Rofl

[Zagam 1,983]

Went from 'fuck, shit, CC those bloods!' on the 2nd set to 'did he even spawn the 2nd set of bloods?'  Made it so people could focus on dancing better.  Yay dancing.  Boo me not seeing this boss again until 2014.

[mediocregatsby 18]

Yes, most of the time this is what happens. It's weird because it happened a few times but only in that exact situation (engaging the boss in second transition).

 

 

Above is the youtube clip I made of the effect occuring. The incinerate still goes off and I lose all 4 embers, gaining a few back from the incinerate and subsequent conflag.

 

Really odd.

 

i just had this exact bug happen to me twice.

 

The first time, I was at 3 embers. It was during empowered mines on heroic blackfuse so I was using FNB. I noticed the mines died and stopped spawning so in the middle of FNB-incinerate, I pressed FNB again to disable it. Usually this just cancels the FNB cast, but for some reason it kept going. At the end of the cast, I lost all my embers. Can't remember if the cast actually went off or anything like that.

 

The second time it happened at 4 embers. I was casting a FNB-incinerate again, toggled FNB, noticed it didn't cancel the cast, so I started hitting FNB toggle like 5 times. The cast did not cancel, but at the end I didn't lose embers or shoot any projectile. Super weird bug.

 

May be worth noting I was using KJC

[Liquidsteel 279]

FnB is definitely clunky that's for sure.

I hate turning it on, quickly realising I don't need it, and then having to faff with it to turn it off.

It's unresponsive when you want to turn it off. You seem to have to wait a few seconds, and in this time I often end up not only turning it off, but also back on again. Grr.

[mediocregatsby 18]

Weird, I usually have trouble turning it on, but no problems turning it off.

 

It's better than the old version though, where you had to spam it to use it for every spell during AOE -_-

Edited January 15, 2014 by mediocregatsby

[Zagam 1,983]

I've had no issues with FnB.  When I turn it off, it cancels the cast which is exactly what I want.  The previous version was a nightmare.

[Soulzar 42]

I made a stopcasting macro for mine so that I could toggle it on and off easier, but it still triggers an internal cooldown to prevent quickly turning it off if you accidentally put it up, as LS mentioned above.

[Nytemare 2]

So I finally got my 4set bonus for normal

 

When it procs and 15% crit buff up do I drop everything and try to get 1-2 cb off during that time or what?

 

Also anyone know the id for the spell so I can add it to my extraCD 

[Lockybalboa 618]

So I finally got my 4set bonus for normal

 

When it procs and 15% crit buff up do I drop everything and try to get 1-2 cb off during that time or what?

 

Also anyone know the id for the spell so I can add it to my extraCD 

 

 

No, it's nice when it happens and IF you can line it AND another proc up you should, but by itself it isnt worth CBing.

 

I normally use the proc the most when Im filling embers, when I know that Im outside the ICD of the 4pc proc and Im at ~29 embers I start a CB so that I get the proc with my CB, this is in place of waiting until ~35 embers to fire a CB to prevent capping

[ertai 0]

My procs and buffs are:

-purified bindings of immerseus 12k inte

-KTT 12k inte

-lightweave (tailor)  2k inte

-4P  T16   (15%crit)

-jade spirit

-dark soul (30%inte)

-potion (4k inte)

-2P T16 (5%crit)

 

I only cast chaos bolt and shadowburn during trinkets procs (dark soul used when pbi proc);4P T16 when reaching 3 embers.I use potion pre pull and during bloodlust.

 

I totally ignore lightweave; jade spirit and 2P T16; considering them as passive abilities.

 

Does i miss something; is there better use of chaos bolt?

 

PS: i cast chaos bolt and shadowburn when reaching 3.5 embers even with no buff to avaoid cap.

[Nytemare 2]

No, it's nice when it happens and IF you can line it AND another proc up you should, but by itself it isnt worth CBing.

 

I normally use the proc the most when Im filling embers, when I know that Im outside the ICD of the 4pc proc and Im at ~29 embers I start a CB so that I get the proc with my CB, this is in place of waiting until ~35 embers to fire a CB to prevent capping

 

OK cool, I can use it that way

 

Found the ID, is there still a 10 sec or so icd or has that been removed?

[Lockybalboa 618]

OK cool, I can use it that way

 

Found the ID, is there still a 10 sec or so icd or has that been removed?

 

 

Destro 4pc still has a hidden 10 second ICD

[Hybrex 1]

Soo Heroic Dou Dou Shoulders or Rime-Rift from norushen? 

Or it really doesnt fricken matter? 100 more mastery on dou dou but lose 1100 crit. 

[Lockybalboa 618]

Rime-Rift is "BiS" but the difference is very, very small.

[Hybrex 1]

Rime-Rift is "BiS" but the difference is very, very small.

Thanks.

With my gear as it stands with dou dou i can get 160more int from gems. so going to leave at that for now.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/proudmoore/Hybrex/advanced

[Twinkielock 15]

2 quick questions.

 

#1.  I was lucky enough to get heroic, warforged PBI :).  I know it has a 2 min ICD, should I wait to cast DS until it procs, or should I just use DS on CD?

 

#2.  I know it's a very very minor difference but for 25 man raiding is it    Mastery > Crit > Haste(Haste is shit)  or Mastery > Crit = Haste?

[Lockybalboa 618]

#1.  I was lucky enough to get heroic, warforged PBI .  

 

go to hell.

 

 

I know it has a 2 min ICD, should I wait to cast DS until it procs, or should I just use DS on CD?

 

It has a 115 second ICD, DS is 120second. When at all possible you should hold DS so that you use it with a PBI proc, but warned though that PBI can screw you and not proc FOR-BLEEDING-EVER, don't hold DS for more then ~10 seconds.

 

 

#2.  I know it's a very very minor difference but for 25 man raiding is it    Mastery > Crit > Haste(Haste is shit)  or Mastery > Crit = Haste?

 

 

Doesn't matter. To much haste and you'll run in to GCD capping problems, there is nothing wrong with zero haste builds so I normally go that route. The DPS between the two is very small.

[Liquidsteel 279]

You can go Mastery > Haste > Crit, or you can go Mastery > Crit > Haste. or even Mastery > Haste = Crit.

 

You won't see any real tangible difference. Depends what you prefer.

 

I go Mastery > Haste (10.4k) > Crit.

 

I like haste as it feels smooth, and I can handle being occasionally GCD capped. If you don't like it then go heavier crit. Haste is still good even if you get GCD sometimes. Still affects all your other spells.

[Twinkielock 15]

go to hell.

 

 

 

It has a 115 second ICD, DS is 120second. When at all possible you should hold DS so that you use it with a PBI proc, but warned though that PBI can screw you and not proc FOR-BLEEDING-EVER, don't hold DS for more then ~10 seconds.

 

 

 

 

Doesn't matter. To much haste and you'll run in to GCD capping problems, there is nothing wrong with zero haste builds so I normally go that route. The DPS between the two is very small.

Do you know the name of the PBI buff?

[Lockybalboa 618]

Do you know the name of the PBI buff?

 

 

Expanded Mind 

 

Spell ID: 146046