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Thank you very much, this is great feedback. To answer your first question, I was only really playing destro cause I got bored/want to practice for 6.2/everyone in my raid is trying to be a parselord atm so the add groups are dying almost instantly. I'll try to play destro on more fights next week just to hammer out any rotational problems I'm having, and come back for with more logs. Again, I really appreciate the time you spent analyzing and writing out feedback, thanks a lot man.

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No problem :) Those fights really come down to how well do you AoE and how well does your group AoE lol. just gotta be faster than them by getting off F&B CB (precasting them before all the adds are in place is a good way to get an extra one off) then conflaging and doing it again. If they live long enough you can immolate them and finish up with shadowburns pretty much.

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Hello there Fellow Warlocks smile.png  ( 

 

I was just wondering. I'm in a guild that does not take how high dps you do into consideration of weather you get a spot or not,, however i'm a sligth competative person.. I've started to play Warlock in Mist. and well it's the coolest class i've been around to . started as a mage. but well.. pressing 1-1-2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-1-1 and beeing around to the top got quite very very bored smile.png  then in Panda Destro was quite good but also got tidius .. soo now i'm  new to Demo in this Xpac,i started to try demo in the end of panda as Destro with the loss of mobility was quite not my style.. soo i was wondering  is the dps on these figths ok ? or am i WAY far off.. I'm no hardcore/mythictypeofguy but still a semi-hardecore-raiding-guy...And no I'm not playing the class that's best all the times.. started as a Mage in WOTLK then held that class to Panda and found Lock to be fun both PVE and PVP biggrin.png

 

The logs from tonigth 

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VGhAQq2dmbk7cCN3#type=damage-done&fight=12&source=5

 

 

Please do IGNORE blackhand as that was progress figth and we were quite not expected to get a kill tonigth,along with the RL pull'd with timer and ALL of us ranged beeing out of range to the boss.. 

 

 

On the other figths .

 

Hanz and Franz : I know that  Corruption could need some more love on both of'em .. to get that timer 97+ ish .. apart from that where am i going wrong ? and is it ok dps on a state of not being a hardcore/mythic raider  ( we are currently progressing on Blast Furnace HRC and IM )  I would very much love to get over that hunter ......

 

 

 

Flamebender :Apart from that Corruption  ( i know a tree in oregor gets more love then that ) needs a Chinese wall of love... I dont know where to look at.it is a Stock marked of mistakes i just cannot find them.. 

 

 

Kromog : Is just a bunch of wipes of tanks doing things they should not, along with me standing in a bunch of swirly things he send out but that is not the issue smile.png so kinda ignore that figth wink.png

 

 

 

" Some motherfuckers ALWAYS tries to ICESCATE uphills " 

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Sorry for the late reply Gotta say thanks for all the advice I've gotten so far. I'm actually gonna go back and do some normal BRFs with pugs just for more practice of what you guys have been saying. It seems to be getting better (though I'm still adjusting to not spamming soul fire in caster form etc)

 

I was wondering if you guys could give me a bit of a hand with my gear as I'm at that stage where I had my 685 4 set but I keep getting 691 warforged Pieces that are individually better and even a mythic robe ( which seems better than my Heroic Set robe) and I can't figure out what my Optimal gear set would be

 

My current gear

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/tarren-mill/Delecroix/advanced

 

Other pieces I have that I could equip

http://www.wowhead.com/item=113876/toothbreaker-grips&bonus=561:566

http://www.wowhead.com/item=113898/eye-catching-gilded-robe&bonus=567

I'd like to have the better robes and my BiS gloves but I'm pretty sure the 4 Set is more important so it's confusing

 

Would also like to know if my current staffhttp://www.wowhead.com/item=113869/inferno-flame-staff&bonus=564:566is better than these two together

http://www.wowhead.com/item=113920/dagger-of-blazing-radiance&bonus=0

http://www.wowhead.com/item=113879/caged-living-ooze&bonus=561:566

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Hi Lucieto,

 

You perhaps don't have another Demo lock in your guild? In that case I find the best person to compare myself with is myself. As long as I am doing a little better each week or at least know where I went wrong I am ok with that. However, saying this I find that Demo is rather RNG dependent too. Apart from Crits and Multis it also depends on how many Imps, MC procs, 4 set procs and whether the trinkets and other damage procs decide to activate at the best times to name a few so sometimes I will have a worse result or I will just have an off day and play poorly. 

 

Ok, so looking at Hans & Franz. Your overall DPS is decent the following are just points you can improve on so do not get downhearted

 

Opener: Could be improved. Check out the Summonstone Guide. Watch DoTs on the second brother. He did not get a Corruption until 23 seconds in.

 

DS: For the fight length you you missed a DS! 2nd DS: 6 Meta SFs. 3rd DS: 2Meta SFs and some caster stuff and it seemed like you used DS in or just before a stamper phase. I personally do not play Cata here. Do you find a 20 second DS better than a glyphed one? 
 
Resource management: If the graph is correct (I tend to think its a little inaccurate) you possibly capped fury twice and for your 3rd DS you did not go in with enough fury so lack of preparation. You finished the fight on 300 fury. 
 
2 Caster SFs pre execute and then you seemed to get rid of your MC stacks pre-execute but do try to make sure that these are buffed. If you know after DS # you are not having another one pre-execute you can be looking out for your best procs. A few meta SFs unbuffed over the whole fight.
 
Cata: Number is fine. Once you only hit one brother though. Personally as a non-Cata person though I am not sure if you should be waiting for both or not to be honest.  
 
DoT uptimes: Overall Doom 95% Corruption 96%. DoTs on Hans: D 84% and C 44%.  On Franz: D 90% C 74%. Now you can't get 100% on this fight as one brother becomes untargetable but looking at other logs with your fight times they have all much higher uptimes so watch the second brother more and you may get more 4 set procs as well.
 
HoG stacking attempted. Some times you did fine but 3 times from what I can see you were a little late in your 2nd HoG. So HoG, caster ability, caster ability, HoG. CW use seems buffed but though you didn't actually use in DS.
 
Execute: No DS in execute! Huge loss. Potion used slightly before execute and too long until your Doomguard cast. Many people will say though if you do not have a nuke phase here then Doomy is actually better at the start with all your buffs/procs however you guys actually Hero/BL at the end. We've never done that so again I honestly do not know what benefits him more. However, yours was only up for 46 seconds before the fight ended so you need to go a little earlier either way.  

 

So yeah you didn't do too bad and the effort you are putting in should give rewards. Hopefully someone can clarify the parts that I am hazy on. Good luck

 

Dislcaimer: There may be an error in something that I have said. If you think so tell me.

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Thanks alot Spikey for the points. Defintly something i need to work on i see there. Shall have a look at the video later on to investegate the things you said there and practice alot before next raid biggrin.png  About the Doomguard at the end,Ive been bounceing my thougths up and down weather if i should drop it from the start when all the buff's are up or on BL..  and unfortaintly i am the only Lock in the guild, ( we are a quite small guild, so not someone to bounce theory/tips ball around on sad.png )  

Also was wondering on that figth there.. is it worth useing TOC to refresh corruption on the other one.. or is it better to jump out of meta and refresh manually, even if i'm in a post  ( guess i should not be that but if i should be finding myself in that pos) of a DS dump ? 

 

 

Not to get drowned in info and such .but was wondering where do i go wrong on Flamebender ?  ( apart from that Corruption needs ALOT of more attention as it's quite low uptime ) 

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You're welcome Lucieto. Having a very quick look on Flamebender again you are not preparing for your DS burns. You want 800+ fury, possibly Cata and 6-8 MC procs +/- CWs. You are not using DS on the doggies which is the main nuke phase (not so much on farm though). Anyhow, will have a better look later or tomorrow if someone else hasn't.  

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Sorry for the late reply Gotta say thanks for all the advice I've gotten so far. I'm actually gonna go back and do some normal BRFs with pugs just for more practice of what you guys have been saying. It seems to be getting better (though I'm still adjusting to not spamming soul fire in caster form etc)

 

I was wondering if you guys could give me a bit of a hand with my gear as I'm at that stage where I had my 685 4 set but I keep getting 691 warforged Pieces that are individually better and even a mythic robe ( which seems better than my Heroic Set robe) and I can't figure out what my Optimal gear set would be

 

My current gear

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/tarren-mill/Delecroix/advanced

 

Other pieces I have that I could equip

http://www.wowhead.com/item=113876/toothbreaker-grips&bonus=561:566

http://www.wowhead.com/item=113898/eye-catching-gilded-robe&bonus=567

I'd like to have the better robes and my BiS gloves but I'm pretty sure the 4 Set is more important so it's confusing

 

Would also like to know if my current staffhttp://www.wowhead.com/item=113869/inferno-flame-staff&bonus=564:566is better than these two together

http://www.wowhead.com/item=113920/dagger-of-blazing-radiance&bonus=0

http://www.wowhead.com/item=113879/caged-living-ooze&bonus=561:566

To be perfectly honest I just go to AskMrRobot.com/wow and use their Best in Bags feature to optimize my gear. You can also use SimCraft (which is the preferred way to go) but that requires a bit more knowledge and understanding of the program. I'd suggest checking out AMR :)

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KKillroyV2, Personally I use Simulationcraft to get an average of stat weights over different fights and ingame an addon called Pawn which calculates gear value. I believe that Wowhead can do a similar thing if you import your character to the site but I am talking like 4 years ago since I used that! Like DravenCarey says though the simulation program takes some effort to understand how to use it and then understand what it is telling you. The other option is to take some general Demo stat weights but they will be less personalised to you. 

 

Hi Lucieto,

 

Well I guess the question for Flamebender is do you want to be killing the wolves and the best overall DPS or do you want to focus ST? This may sound like a strange question but you unsyncing your DS (our best buff) with most of the doggy spawns confused me a little.

 

Opener: Could be improved. DS was 5 seconds pre-pull from what I can see. Check out that site again. Summon Doomguard was too late in and after DS had worn off.

 

DS: Best use with doggies. Remember to prepare with enough resources for a full burn. If you are going to CW the dogs save them up as well.

 

Cata: You could have got 2 more in for the fight time. The timings should work for 1st on boss+Aknor, 2nd on dogs, 3rd on boss, 4th on dogs and so on.

 

A few Meta and a lot more caster SFs not with your best buffs during the fight (particulary on doggies). Just to check are you aware that you shouldn't dump on a haste proc?

 

DoT Uptimes: D 98%, C 86% so watch this closer again. Do you Corrupt all the doggies for 4 set procs?

 

HoG stacking seems better this fight. You're sometimes throwing out single ones though. Is that perhaps to prevent capping stacks yet saving them for doggies? I wonder if CW is perhaps better here (I don't know again!). If not afraid of capping though no single HoGs.  

 

Execute: Saved a DS for execute! However, your potion was not synced with this and taken much earlier and basically wasted as you weren't having a big meta SF or CW dump then. Some SBs in execute.

 

Hope this helps. 

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Hey Lucieto, let me see if I can help shed a little light on what was going on with your Flamebender attempt:

 

- Looking at your Cooldown usage, there are definitely some discrepencies. You casted your Doomguard at the start of the fight @ roughly 20 seconds in (missing out on any of the procs/buffs you had on you during the first 20 seconds which is basically everything from a prepot to trinket procs). If you plan to hold your Doomguard for any significant amount of time, hold it until the final 20% of the fight when its damage is buffed by 20% :). Your first dark soul was used at 46 seconds - this is a huge problem. Not only did your first Cataclysm/Chaos Wave dump lose out on this benefit - you held two charges for over 45 seconds which resulted in getting 1 less cast out throghout the fight. But a small revision to your openner can fix this. Additionally, during your last DS you only managed to pop off two Soul FIres while in Meta Phase. In a situation like that (where you're so close to the burn phase) I'd recommend just saving that DS charge and building Fury - then once you've got enough go into Meta, pop DS and dump it all.

 

- Looking at your openner, everything seems about right. You got most of your trinkets/rings to double proc which means you either got lucky or you did a proper precast (either way good job!). The only "issue" is that you elected to not cast Corruption until 12 seconds into the fight. Now, this isn't a make it or break it kind of thing (and depending on the reasoning behind it you could make a case that this is the best move - under a given set of circumstances) but you can potentially get a bit more out of your openner if you were to do the following: precast on whichever target you like, once combat begins put corruption up on both Ankor and Flamebender, immediately go into Meta form, cast Dark Soul followed by Cataclysm (hopefully Ankor hasn't jumped away yet), and follow that up with three Chaos Waves (again, hoping Ankor hasn't jumped away yet). This is what I find to be the optimal openner *for me* on this fight (but it is subject to a swift kick in the pants if Ankor leaps towards a ranged too early). 

 

- Judging off the timing of your casts I'm going to guess tha tyou don't have a macro that casts all your CD's (Blood Fury, Dark Soul, possibly Meta) at the same time. Getting something like this could save you a few GCD's throughout a fight (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VGhAQq2dmbk7cCN3#fight=14&type=casts&pins=0%24Main%24%23b906c9%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%2449188792.0.0.Warlock%24false%24103958&source=5&view=events)

 

- As soon as you finish your Chaos Waves in the openner you should immediately begin spamming Soul Fire on Ankor since he'll either be at or very close to th 25% health mark. Get in as many free Soul Fires here as you can!

 

- You did a pretty good job of saving your Soul Fires for Meta phase - only 6 SF's in caster form (prior to the 25% phase) however none of these were buffed by prominent procs :/ . Try to only dump Soul Fire in caster form if A.) you don't have enough fury to go into Meta and take advantage of current procs (provided you have a decently high number of Molten Core stacks) B.) the boss is at ~30% (and the final 25% burn phase is about to begin) so you want to dump any excess stacks you have, and C.) your target is at or under 25% health (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VGhAQq2dmbk7cCN3#fight=14&type=casts&pins=0%24Main%24%23b906c9%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%2449188792.0.0.Warlock%24false%24103958&source=5).

 


 

- Lastly, as it was already mentioned you missed the opportunity for two Cataclysms. You should be able to fit one in at each of the fire storms (in between each set of dogs).

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Thank you ver much again Spikey. Much much appriciated :D now i have alot to work on :D   And the same goes to you DravenCarey. Shall focus more on what you guys wrote and get it into my hands :)

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I need help with my DPS / Cast rotation. I am returning to the game after eight years and my class has changed a lot (or so it seems to me.) My guild leader says my DPS is low and I am not sure how to improve it.

 

I raid as Destruction and my cast rotation is, Dark Soul: Instability, Immolate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Conflagrate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate.... Rinse and repeat until I have 3+ embers then  Chaos Bolt x 3 - 4 .. then start rotation over again.

 

Warcraft Logs - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pWTaznvwZ4Xt3gmG

 

Wow Armory -  http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/lightbringer/Tagwen/simple

 

Thank you,

Tagwen

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Before I jump into looking over your logs Tagwen, I would STRONGLY suggest you look over the Destruction Guide posted both on this website's primary page (https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/destruction-warlock-pve-dps-guide), this website's forum post on the Destruction spec (), and the MMO Champ Destruction Guide (http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1731435-6-1-Furty-s-Destruction-Warlock-Guide). if you've not played in a good while then yes there are a LOT of changes that need to be implemented. First look through these guides, do your best to emulate what you read, then post some logs so we can better help you :).

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Hi, just returned to WoW after a 4 year hiatus.  I also went from playing my priest to my Warlock who I haven't raided on since TBC.  I've read through the entire thread on how to properly play affliction and know that I have some immediate changes to make.  I made most, but I still need to swap over a gem to haste as well as my crafted gear.

 

Also, from checking my logs, it looks like my uptime isn't quite where it should be, either, for my main three dots (which is a little frustrating, because that is what I concentrated on).  So, with these things said, any other glaring obvious misses?  I know that my raid leader is getting pretty frustrated with my dps... so I need to get moving on this fast!

 

Here are logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pVPbgJvMDGd3Hf8K/, but please note, I only show up in the last three boss fights.  My gear score is 686, so though I dominated on the charts, this is an LFR, and I greatly outgeared everyone.  I should also point out we kept losing our tanks during the last two boss fights and I summoned my blueberry in the middle of the fights for that reason.

 

This is me:  http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/stormreaver/Maizey/simple

 

My starting rotation was based on priority, but I have already read it should be pot, soulburn then haunt.  Is that the case?  I obviously don't really know *what* my starting rotation should be, and I didn't see that on the lock board.

 

Any advice is appreciated, and it should be a quick glance through simple advice right now.  I'm sure I've got some glaring issues.  

 

Thanks so much, I truly appreciate it.

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Hey Maizey, I don't have time to fully look over the log atm but I can quickly fill you in on the opener. You can approach it from one of two angles: playing it safe (assuming RNG is not on your side) or assuming you won't have any immediate need for soul shards you can take the gamble to get your DoTs up quicker (by about 1-2 GCD's usually). 

 

The "Safe" Opener:

 

20 seconds prior to the pull (this can be tricky to time) you want to cast Soulburn. Prepot at 3 seconds prior to the pull. Cast Haunt (which should be buffed by Soulburn) at the 1.5-2 second mark (but do so from a fairly far distance). If done correctly your Haunt will be in the air and traveling to the boss before you enter combat (this will allow for a "proper" precast where your trinkets/ring reset themselves immediately). Once you've cast Haunt, immediately start casting Unstable Affliction. Follow that by quickly putting up Agony and Corruption (in that order). Pop Dark Soul and spam Soul Drain until you need to refresh your dots. And that's about it.

 

The "Gambling" Opener:

 

20 seconds prior to the pull (this can be tricky to time) you want to cast Soulburn. Prepot at 3 seconds prior to the pull. Cast Haunt (which should be buffed by Soulburn) at the 1.5-2 second mark (but do so from a fairly far distance). If done correctly your Haunt will be in the air and traveling to the boss before you enter combat (this will allow for a "proper" precast where your trinkets/ring reset themselves immediately). Once you've cast Haunt, immediately cast Soulburn again and once comat begins cast Soul Swap (if you got the very first Soulburn in  at least 20 seconds prior to the pull this will leave you with one Soul Shard). Pop Dark Soul and spam Soul Drain until you need to refresh your dots. And that's about it.

 

Usually there's nothing wrong with using the safe opener (especially if you're going to use a Soul Swap or any other Soul Shard using ability any time soon), however, if RNGesus is on your side then you'll regenerate plenty of extra Soul Shards throughout the initial pull phase. Also, if you don't expect to have any immediate targets to burn down and if there's not going to be much movement then you should use your second Dark Soul charge pretty much immediately after the first one (try to refresh dots before recasting DS if possible). Hope this helps :)

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Hey Maizey,

 

I'm not experienced with Affliction logs so will leave them for someone who is. So after your comment about your unhappy RL I was just being nosy and looking through your other logs where so far you seem to only play Destro in heroic BRF (of course there may be unlogged fights or private ones). What has brought about you wanting to switch to Affliction? Or is it just perhaps for some fights? As a side note I'd suggest to really focus on getting your tier even if it means a bunch of normal pugging.

 

Just to check are you aware of the pandemic effect for DoTs? Or whatever it is called now. The thing where you can refresh them under 30% of their initial length and you will not lose any DPS.

 

As to guides I like to read around a lot. Currently I use a mixture of here, MMO Champion and Summonstone. 

 

Good luck. 

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Draven, thanks so much for the opener.  I need to re-read it a couple of times to make sure I understand, but this helps a lot!   I will definitely put this to use.

 

(I get it... cast soulburn 20 seconds, which gives me ~10 seconds of the buff and I will already generate the shard back.  Nice!)

 

Spikey, you're right, I was playing destro up until now and my dps was terrible.  I checked some numbers and it looks like Destro is performing poorly in BRF generally... but even with that said, I was worse than what I *should* have been.  As I've been reading up on affliction, I do see some things I was not doing correctly as destro, even.  However, I only ever played my lock previously as aff, so I thought I should return to my roots and see if I can get something I *know* up and running satisfactory first.  Then, I'll  work on swapping specs for specific bosses if I can pull better numbers.  

 

Yes, I did know about pandemic.  (That's the even MORE frustrating part... I was refreshing close to that 30% mark, I thought!)

 

I'll get to work on the tier set, thank you.

 

I just found out about Summonstone before I sent to bed last night, actually.  So, I will start reading that as well.  Thanks guys, already very helpful.  smile.png

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Hi Maizey,

 

Out of the 2 specs I personally think that Destro is better overall than Affliction in BRF. Saying this though both specs have their weaknesses and strengths. Some of the issues with Aff are weak AoE and that it has no passive cleave. So for fights like Blast, Thogar and Beast you will be somewhere down with the tanks. However. Affliction does have nice single target damage and excellent burst (though so does Destro) so if your raid leader looks at that and appreciates priority target damage then maybe you will be ok. Anyhow, if you do play one spec much better than the other you will tend to better with that one.

 

So I looked over your logs and did see quite some issues. If no one more experienced with Affliction weighs in then I give you a simple run down tomorrow. In the meanwhile have an objective look at your UI. Is the info you need (so DoT timers, procs, resources, cooldowns etc) somewhere near your character's feet? If so then it's partly a matter of teaching yourself to look at them regularly or if you use something like Weak Auras perhaps making more obvious warnings for when you need to do something.

 

Can you do me a favour as well pllease? I don't have Affliction specced at the moment so haste values are not meaning much to me. Spec into Destro and see what your haste is please? Then I can compare to mine to see where you are at. I tried comparing on the armoury but it was being weird and saying in Destro that you have 18% compared to my 12.  

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Maizey, out of curiousity have you actually tried DemServ? On one hand you have a good item level yet (and therefore probably decent haste) at the same time you don't have a 4 set. Guides are very vague in when the switch to SB: Haunt should be made. However, with Twins being 2 target leads itself to buffed DoTs. I am more thinking for single target (ST).

 

Ok here is my poor attempt at your Twins log which in essence is a lovely fight for Affliction. 

 

Opener: Use a mixture of Summonstone, here and MMO Champion to get it smoother. Now I say a mixture as there's controversy over whether Soul Swap (SS)/Soulburn: SS (SB: SS) should ever be used or not. Personally I don't have the experience to know what is really better but I am of the do not use SB: SS on the opener camp as soul shards are so precious. You used SB: SS though for the second brother which is unnecessary as you did manual DoTs on the first one and could have moved them over with using 1 shard and not 2. 
 
If you are pre-potting (so you can use another one as well later) it has to be before you get into combat but I understand you were in LFR and that is rather difficult!
 
You have no SB: Haunt (SB: H) until 2:13 into the fight!!!! You should be aiming for 100% uptime (though can't say I have ever achieved this) and it's especially important in the opener when you have all your procs up. SB: H gives you 20% extra damage on all your DoTs (as well as a normal Haunt on one target), it is so major.  
 
DS: For a start unglyph it. Affliction works much better with a 20 second one. For a 6:29 minute fight and assuming you were running with AD you could have got 7-8 in but you managed 2! Unless I am mistaken then DS is 2700 haste. Can you appreciate especially when used with Haunting Spirits (the SB: H buff) how amazing that is? For DS you want to use SB: H which will also give you regular Haunt. Then you will want a second normal Haunt to cover the full duration. So yes DS basically costs 3 shards so plan ahead. 
 
For BL/Hero again you want full SB: H and Haunt coverage where possible (maybe DS too? Not actually sure). Of course though it was LFR and much easier to plan for this in a guild run.
 
Resource management: You seemed to be shard capped quite often (if the graph is correct). Are you aware of Nightfall procs? Sometimes you will get 2 of them so if you are sitting at 3-4 shards you may be missing out on extra ones and hence better damage. You'll have to find your own way but I personally tend to sit at 2. If I get a third I may use SB and sit on that for my next SB: H. 
 
DoT uptimes on both brothers, especially Unstable Affliction, a little low. Like I said before perhaps your UI needs an overhaul otherwise it's just a practice thing. Drain Soul uptime also low.
 
Oh your Imp (good choice for this fight) did 55% on one brother and 45 on the other. You may find that putting it on passive then sending it on just one target rather than it always switching will give more damage. 
 
If you are dual speccing then ideally your enchants should be mastery ones. Perhaps also anything above ST may favour mastery too anyhow? Not sure on this either!
 
Other than that not sure where else you can improve. I hope this has helped though.
 
Disclaimer: I am not at all experienced with Affliction or reading its logs so there be errors here. I'm sure others will read it over though and comment if so.
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Maizey, out of curiousity have you actually tried DemServ? On one hand you have a good item level yet (and therefore probably decent haste) at the same time you don't have a 4 set. Guides are very vague in when the switch to SB: Haunt should be made. However, with Twins being 2 target leads itself to buffed DoTs. I am more thinking for single target (ST).

 

DemServ is your go-to when mobility is high or you are uncomfy with SB Haunt(low skill, low shards gen etc.) Still bonkers.

 

Opener:  I say a mixture as there's controversy over whether Soul Swap (SS)/Soulburn: SS (SB: SS) should ever be used or not.
 

 

Just don't ever press that Soulswap. Remove it from your panel and forget this spell exists.

My personal opener is sth like this>

precast Haunt at ~2sec of timer

UA

Corrupt

Agony

and the rest stuff

I know Agony should be first, but that's just my mechanics of clipping instant DoT after casting.

I don't bother with 20 second Soulburn because our pull timer is twice as short, and Raid Leader is rock solid on it.

 

 

You have no SB: Haunt (SB: H) until 2:13 into the fight!!!! You should be aiming for 100% uptime (though can't say I have ever achieved this) and it's especially important in the opener when you have all your procs up. SB: H gives you 20% extra damage on all your DoTs (as well as a normal Haunt on one target), it is so major.  
 

100% uptime isn't something you'd want, I believe Liquid told this to me.

You really want SB Haunt buff to be there when your DS/procs are up, otherwise it isn't that much of damage. You lose your regular Haunts and mess shard management overall.

Just think ahead about your damage buffs and make sure 3 shards are there when your DS is up. Spice your trinket/ring with spare Haunt.

It's kinda reactive gameplay - stuff happens, and then you do something besides Draining Souls.

However, when two-three targets are around, like on Twins, you want to prioritize your SoulBurn^Haunt buff over regular Haunt  - you Drain Soul less and DoT more

That's it. Not offending @spikeysquad, just correcting a bit.

@Maizey

Step one : Make your UI clean and comfortable so you won't forget your cooldowns like you did.

Step two : Fit in more Drain Soul. There is never enough Drain Soul.

Step three : Think. Aff is all about it - mechanics are plain simple once you get them, and it becomes all about buff management.

Step four : Practice. Ton of it. LFR is not a practice, neither is target dummy - much too far from real scenarios.

Feel free to ask anything, and comeback with some real logs, not LFR stuff.

Good luck!

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Soul Swap can probably be used in the opener to be honest, especially if you Bloodlust. Next tier it will definitely be used a bit more with the trinket and set bonuses.

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I am glad that others commented but seems I wasn't too far off. Like I said I barely know WoD Affliction past dummy stuff or LFRs (though I really should and will do more with it pre-6.2, still doing the Destro thing in normals at the moment). I actually played Aff on mythic Butcher a few weeks back and considering I was playing badly numbers wise I did pretty well (but yeah of course it is a short fight and I could have drained the adds as well).

 

I definitely had shard issues though with SB: Haunt but yeah I need to learn to conserve for the most important times rather than aim for the 100% (I was more like 70%). In the end I changed to Dem Serv but then I actually had too many shards!!! In the sense I had like 80% uptime on Haunt so unbuffed ones a lot. So just wondering how much haste are people rocking? I have 12.57% in Demo/Destro.

 

Using SS to the second brother appeals to me. Getting to nuke 2 GCDs (I think) quicker with my all procs up. However, Maizey used SB: SS on them though hence why I said something then up came the confusion. Slightly OT but sigh that they haven't they scrapped that Aff class trinket (yet)...

 

I guess come 6.2 all of this (hopefully) will be a lot more natural (with a lot of practising and reading before).

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Hey guys I've returned after a little practice after (attempting) to take on board all of your previous advice and While I probably have improved a little I'd love some more tips / critique on my current play style etc

 I currently only have one Real fight on Warcraftlogs where I didn't play too well however I will upload that for now

Any help at all would be greatly appreciated as I'm getting a lot of flak from my guildies ( mostly because we are actually regressing on content) and want to know how I can pull more weight

 

Gear

https://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/player/eu/tarren_mill/delecroix

 

Log

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cFVxbWzYRDwJp83d/

 

One of the main things that seems to mess me up on Blackhand in particular is running after the Siegemakers which really hurts my Dps that and my Guild master wanting me to focus dps on the Siegemaker before the marks hit meaning my dps drops 

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Alright so never asked for help before but im sure I need it. Don't even know what to ask for specifically either.
 
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rNf1LyY82QbD4kjd/
 
Is my rotation correct? is my dps even good?
I haven't played in like 5 months so kinda getting back into the swing of things
 
Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/frostwolf/Zorrasf/advanced

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HI Delecroix,

 

I have seen before that you said your roots lie with Affliction and Destro so have you actually tried then on Blackhand? Destro seems to do pretty well if you can combat the mobility issues. Not sure about Aff though as I have never tried it on this boss. Anyhow, patch 6.2 may be a lot better for you! 

 

As you know the drill will mostly ignore the good stuff as otherwise this post gets way too long.

 

Opener: Quite low on burst for your item level. Check out Summonstone and this post to get a better basis. Your main issues are DS at an odd time really, too many SBs and not going back to meta before the end of DS to burn fury and MC procs.
 
DS: What part of the fight is your raid team having issues with? I personally always save 2 DS for execute but change as you see the need.
 
1st DS: 2 Meta SFs, 2nd DS: 6 Meta SFs, 3rd DS: 1 Meta SF!!! 4th DS: 4 Meta SFs. Such a waste of your most important proc/cooldown. Try to clean your DS up as well.  No DoT refreshes, no caster abilities and ideally no ToC though on sometimes you will have to move for siegetanks and the like.
 
Resource management: Though you never capped on the fight you never prepared for DS either. That page I linked tells you what you need each time.
 
Lots of Meta SF dumping and not with your best buffs. DuT doesn't count and the weapon proc is a last resort if you are going to be capping stacks for example.
 
DoT uptimes: Doom 97% Corruption 91% but overall 71% Corruption on BH needs some more attention however you sometimes actually cast Corruption on him too soon and waste that GCD.
 
HoG stacking looks good. One CW unbuffed.
 
Do you feel the need for SacPact? 
 
Not much ToC use which is good but at some points in the fight you are casting nothing (perhaps you were falling but I tend to think that lasts a few seconds and not 10). 
 
Hope this helps and good luck.

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