5.4 Destruction Tips and Quirks

[Rakupenda 15]

so i had a thought. Its always been at 3.5 embers if you have no procs you blow an ember. With the tier 16 4 set bonus, would we want to push it to 4 embers, to activate the set bonus to dump embers with the 15% crit chance? Could lose some emberbits, but each time (or every other time) you filled that last ember it would have the proc immediately for an immo and CB or such, instead of hitting 3 embers, pushing to 3.5 and maybe missing the window. From what i understand you don't want to fire of a CB everytime you get the proc, cause then you'll simply be using them as soon you get embers, and be short on embers when you get the high int procs. Lets say you push to 4, get the 15% crit, fire off CB to dump, then trinkets proc, you've still got 4, instead of trying to get to 3.5 and missing the proc, or just burning at 3, so you'd be at 2 embers when trinkets proc. Its just a thought. Wasn't sure whats the best way to tackle it, and can't test it since i don't have the 4 set yet.

 

Basically, we know we have to dump some CB with no procs...is it worth it to push 4 embers, so atleast a few we dump will have a small proc?

If you procced one on your second, missed a proc on your third, it's a good chance under normal circumstances (not AoEing like mad) that your fourth ember will proc one. Best bet in that situation would be to start casting Chaos Bolt as you're 8/10 or 9/10 emberbits of your fourth (since you're about to max your embers you should be doing it anyway) and if your 4p happens to proc as you fill it, bonus! If not it will shortly after and you could use another Chaos Bolt to use your newly generated third ember.

 

In reality you should have used one before then, maybe on your second ember with the 4p proc (since you missed the third) or an int proc. You need to be able to estimate how long it will take you to fill your next ember by looking at your conflag/backdrafts available; this takes practice. If you just filled your second ember and procced 4p, and think you can fill another ember within 15 seconds after (because you have rapid incinerates/conflags coming and a high crit immolate, thus you'll skip the third ember and not proc again until your fourth) you may consider using up an ember on Chaos Bolt now (wasting 2-3 seconds) and then spam your incinerates to hopefully proc your 4p on the third (now second) ember.

 

I try to cast a Chaos Bolt with the 4p proc if I have another Int/Dark Soul proc up (which you'll be using the embers for anyway), otherwise I Conflag (fishing for 2p procs for Immolate/Incinerate), reapply Immolate if it isn't empowered and in the refresh range, and spam Incinerate if nothing else. Basically your normal rotation in most circumstances will get you most of the benefit.

[Ilyenna 1]

If you procced one on your second, missed a proc on your third, it's a good chance under normal circumstances (not AoEing like mad) that your fourth ember will proc one. Best bet in that situation would be to start casting Chaos Bolt as you're 8/10 or 9/10 emberbits of your fourth (since you're about to max your embers you should be doing it anyway) and if your 4p happens to proc as you fill it, bonus! If not it will shortly after and you could use another Chaos Bolt to use your newly generated third ember.

 

In reality you should have used one before then, maybe on your second ember with the 4p proc (since you missed the third) or an int proc. You need to be able to estimate how long it will take you to fill your next ember by looking at your conflag/backdrafts available; this takes practice. If you just filled your second ember and procced 4p, and think you can fill another ember within 15 seconds after (because you have rapid incinerates/conflags coming and a high crit immolate, thus you'll skip the third ember and not proc again until your fourth) you may consider using up an ember on Chaos Bolt now (wasting 2-3 seconds) and then spam your incinerates to hopefully proc your 4p on the third (now second) ember.

 

I try to cast a Chaos Bolt with the 4p proc if I have another Int/Dark Soul proc up (which you'll be using the embers for anyway), otherwise I Conflag (fishing for 2p procs for Immolate/Incinerate), reapply Immolate if it isn't empowered and in the refresh range, and spam Incinerate if nothing else. Basically your normal rotation in most circumstances will get you most of the benefit.

Yea same rotation and priorities. I was simply asking for those periods when you get no procs would it be worth it to push the emberbits a bit further to get the proc. 3.9 sounds good. Immo could push you over mid cast with no bits lost. As I said, its just a thought. :)

[SeraphSix 1]

Dexter's ending STILL pisses me off.

 

You're not the only one, but this explains it.

(Spoilers to those who haven't seen the ending)

[SeraphSix 1]

On a side-note: I'm really freaking loving destro right now, especially since we don't have to keep RoF rolling on single target, anymore.

[Zagam 1,983]

On a side-note: I'm really freaking loving destro right now, especially since we don't have to keep RoF rolling on single target, anymore.

 

Glad to hear it.  Remember to drop Rain of Fire while moving (if not using KJC) as it's DPET is better than Fel Flame.  Also, Rain of Fire is a DPS gain when under Bloodlust or Tempus Repit.  It's also an absolute must when it hits 2 or more targets.  Don't bury the hatchet just yet...you just don't need to weave it as much.

[Ilyenna 1]

RoF DPET is only higher assuming the target isn't moving. So in some cases fel flame will be better.

[Zagam 1,983]

Sure, that was to be assumed, but you are correct.  Not many raid bosses need to be moved (if they can be moved at all) in this tier.

[dooms 1]

so... about the pet, is it still using felhunter ?? cause i see people prefer using imp (maybe cos of the glyph)

[JvChequer 43]

so... about the pet, is it still using felhunter ?? cause i see people prefer using imp (maybe cos of the glyph)

Glyph it's irrelevant dps-wise, imp is energy capped.

Ppl are using Imp - or Shivarra - because many fights need target swap fastly and Observer it's pretty much stupid in that kind of situation

[dooms 1]

so.. for fight like malkorok... felhunter is the best ?

[Rakupenda 15]

I use Imp over the others for its utility. Free heal, Flee to caster to group with heals (good for Soul Link mitigation), and a dispell (AoE if using Fel Imp)

 

For Malkorok go Imp: Free heal to help with shield.

 

Observer on fights where interrupts are needed (Hellscream).

 

Was going to test out the Shivarra tonight in a raid setting. Looked promising when it dealt nearly as much as Fel Imp in a 5 minute dummy-test with only a CoE (1/3 her damage was melee). I did my normal rotation (less some raid buffs) for trinket procs, etc rather than let them pound on the dummy sandbox style.

Edited October 9, 2013 by Rakupenda

[Lockybalboa 618]

GoSac ftw. No pet to care about, and sac-ing VW gives 30% hp CD. Winning.

[Zagam 1,983]

Pet DPS is irrelevant and not significantly different enough to say 'this pet is best.'  Pick the pet that gives you the best utility.  This includes, sometimes, sacrificing it.

[JvChequer 43]

so.. for fight like malkorok... felhunter is the best ?

Yes if u have all the buffs - Sunder amor included - and if u don't need anything in Imp's utility.

[Deathly 0]

Hi,

I see where you say Purified Bindings is great. I only have the LFR version and put it with normal KTT reg and simmed my lock. I next tried Woosh and reg KTT and simmed again and her damage went way up. Why is her damage going up so much with KTT and Woosh? Shouldn't it be better with the Purified bindings and KTT even if the Purified is lfr version?

I am not sure which two trinkets to use. I removed reg Breath of Hydra. I'm 552 ilvl and my lock is Decayn.

[mediocregatsby 18]

the amplification from PBI works based on a PERCENTAGE. other trinkets like wush work based on a flat value.

 

for simplicity's sake, let's say you have 100 mastery. you have a crappy LFR PBI that gives 6% bonus, so that's 106 mastery. you have a different trinket that gives a flat 7 mastery bonus, so that would give you 107 mastery. obviously you want to use that second trinket instead.

 

now let's say you get some more gear and you have 140 mastery. your PBI puts you at 148.4 mastery, while the other trinket puts you at 147. you are now high enough ilvl that PBI is better.

 

but let's go back to your 100 mastery ilvl. your LFR PBI gives you 6%, but the heroic warforged gives 8% (these are not the actual values). your HWF PBI puts you at 108 mastery and the other trinket puts you at 107 mastery. even at this low ilvl, the uber version of PBI is better.

 

the best part of PBI is that once it becomes better than other trinkets, it just keeps getting better and better because it scales with your other gear

 

 

tl;dr do the math and always check if PBI is actually better than your other trinkets. obviously you should use wush in your case.

Edited October 10, 2013 by mediocregatsby

[Lockybalboa 618]

the amplification from PBI works based on a PERCENTAGE. other trinkets like wush work based on a flat value.

 

for simplicity's sake, let's say you have 100 mastery. you have a crappy LFR PBI that gives 6% bonus, so that's 106 mastery. you have a different trinket that gives a flat 7 mastery bonus, so that would give you 107 mastery. obviously you want to use that second trinket instead.

 

now let's say you get some more gear and you have 140 mastery. your PBI puts you at 148.4 mastery, while the other trinket puts you at 147. you are now high enough ilvl that PBI is better.

 

but let's go back to your 100 mastery ilvl. your LFR PBI gives you 6%, but the heroic warforged gives 8% (these are not the actual values). your HWF PBI puts you at 108 mastery and the other trinket puts you at 107 mastery. even at this low ilvl, the uber version of PBI is better.

 

the best part of PBI is that once it becomes better than other trinkets, it just keeps getting better and better because it scales with your other gear

 

 

tl;dr do the math and always check if PBI is actually better than your other trinkets. obviously you should use wush in your case.

 

 

You're ignoring the perfect timing of the ICD int proc and when doing this calculation you also need to account for raid buffs. Not sure about the others but I know Might counts for the PBI.

[Kazistrasz 216]

You're ignoring the perfect timing of the ICD int proc and when doing this calculation you also need to account for raid buffs. Not sure about the others but I know Might counts for the PBI.

 

The 5% Haste buff does not, but Mastery buff definitely does. (This is why Demo DS is 30% mastery instead of 18k, 'cause that would have gotten it too).

Edited October 10, 2013 by Kazistrasza

[Twinkielock 15]

I really wish there was Tri spec. Having fun with destro, but missing Demo. I spent way too much gold on transmog weapons for my Wrathguard.

[Zagam 1,983]

Changing specs only costs 68g.  There's an addon that saves your bars.  I don't personally use it because I have 3 different 'active' bars saved via ElvUI.  Bar 8 = Destro, Bar 9 = Affliction, Bar 10 = Demonology.  Set ups like this make going back and forth between specs easy peasy.

[Twinkielock 15]

Changing specs only costs 68g.  There's an addon that saves your bars.  I don't personally use it because I have 3 different 'active' bars saved via ElvUI.  Bar 8 = Destro, Bar 9 = Affliction, Bar 10 = Demonology.  Set ups like this make going back and forth between specs easy peasy.

I don't care about the cost. My concern was the bars.

How do you get bars 8 and 9? I thought 6 was the limit. I'll have to poke around when I get home otnight.

[Zagam 1,983]

go to action bars and check 'enable' to see bars 7-12.  just enable or disable based on spec.

[Djargo 4]

After seing all these post, and some logs. I've been thinking to just go fulltime destruction (besides protecters and thok when we get there) Currently using hc wush and hc bindings, would it be better to try get even a flex ktt over the wush? I'm not to familiar with how good it actually is but i can imagine those sweet CB cleaves.

 

Also screw the hit on wusho srsly  :<

[Omaric 246]

After seing all these post, and some logs. I've been thinking to just go fulltime destruction (besides protecters and thok when we get there) Currently using hc wush and hc bindings, would it be better to try get even a flex ktt over the wush? I'm not to familiar with how good it actually is but i can imagine those sweet CB cleaves.

 

Also screw the hit on wusho srsly  :<

 

I'm going to post another thread on this in a second, but just know that KTT doesn't cleave.  It just "duplicates" the damage of a single source of damage on the current target at 33% of the original power, classified as "Multistrike".

[Nytemare 2]

Changing specs only costs 68g.  There's an addon that saves your bars.  I don't personally use it because I have 3 different 'active' bars saved via ElvUI.  Bar 8 = Destro, Bar 9 = Affliction, Bar 10 = Demonology.  Set ups like this make going back and forth between specs easy peasy.

 

I Use ElvUI have to try that and see if I can get it to work - I use the plugin to give me extra bars

 

 

go to action bars and check 'enable' to see bars 7-12.  just enable or disable based on spec.

 

I open up EC went to actionbars but I don't see that option, do you got a plugin or something, even with my extra action bar plugin not seeing option to enable base off spec

Edited October 16, 2013 by Nytemare