5.4 Warlock (Intellect) Trinkets

[Annoroth 5]

Prevailing wisdom on MMO-C seems to be KTT/BBY for progression, where PBI only becomes BiS at very high levels of gear. Is this accurate, or will PBI/BBY or something like PBI/Wush or PBI/BotH be fine?

[Lockybalboa 618]

Prevailing wisdom on MMO-C seems to be KTT/BBY for progression, where PBI only becomes BiS at very high levels of gear. Is this accurate, or will PBI/BBY or something like PBI/Wush or PBI/BotH be fine?

 

 

"wisdom" and "MMO-C" isn't something I've ever seen in the same sentence before. 

 

On topic, is that referring to Aff?

 

Also, any word on heroics? Is it safe to assume that ANY H or HWF trinket will be better than H-t15? Other than UVLS.

[Annoroth 5]

"wisdom" and "MMO-C" isn't something I've ever seen in the same sentence before. 

 

On topic, is that referring to Aff?

 

Also, any word on heroics? Is it safe to assume that ANY H or HWF trinket will be better than H-t15? Other than UVLS.

 

No argument on the first point, hence my post here. But sorry, I should have clarified, that's with regards to Affliction. 

 

I understand that the stat value of PBI scales pretty well with your gear, and can see why even a 553 PBI would be more valuable to someone in H(WF) gear than someone in normal, something just feels off about it not being as good as KTT. I was hoping someone had some numbers to sort this out. 

[gahhda 95]

"wisdom" and "MMO-C" isn't something I've ever seen in the same sentence before. 

 

On topic, is that referring to Aff?

 

Also, any word on heroics? Is it safe to assume that ANY H or HWF trinket will be better than H-t15? Other than UVLS.

 

Yes.

 

Side note, the cleave trinket is still an extremely viable choice for certain spec/fight combinations, namely destruction on a number of fights, so if you plan to destro its a trinket you should have for use!

Edited September 9, 2013 by gahhda

[Lockybalboa 618]

Question, H UVLS or reg Wush for aff?

[Zagam 1,983]

Wush, brother, Wushhhhhhh. 

[gahhda 95]

Wush, brother, Wushhhhhhh. 

Haters gone hate

[Soulzar 42]

Unerring is still beyond bis for demonology, testing further to compare it to next tier heroic trinkets now :/.

 

Its hard to compete with the constant MC procs with 2pc and fury regen from that trinket...

[Djargo 4]

Wushhhhh is lovely, but oh god am i sick of the hit. Bad luck with gear and late apperance in ToT, getting 2x items from Ordos but both with hit = way to much for me at 550 ilvl currently.

 

Blizzard also trolling me when i tried creating a new ring today and got a 535 ring with hit ONLY ;_;

[Warbii 0]

What is your opinion on Yu'lon's Bite: http://www.wowhead.com/item=103987

Yu'lon's Bite
Timeless
Item Level 535
Upgrade Level 0/2
Binds when picked up
Unique-Equipped Trinket   +1657 Intellect Equip: When your spells deal damage you have a chance to gain 9945 critical strike for 20 sec.  (15% chance, 115 sec cooldown)

[Kazistrasz 216]

I can see it being pretty sick for Destro until you get the new trinkets from flex or normal. That proc is 16.5% crit that will line up with Dark Soul for monster Chaos Bolts.

[gahhda 95]

Trinket stuff time.

 

Destruction: https://www.dropbox.com/s/l9ewvzyllqngsgr/destro_110.html

 

Affliction: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sl2frht3e992nqu/affli_110.html

 

Demonology: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rkcq50z0y1t0es0/demo_110.html

Edited September 15, 2013 by gahhda

[ertai 0]

it seems strange that for demonology, lei shen's trinket remains so hight even regular 522.

So simcraft says that UVOLS still BIS for demonology even if we lost the glyph of eternal affliction and cannot have a 100% uptime for the 100% crit buff?

Another surprise is the rank of yu lon bite 535, is it really better than some of 553 trinkets?

 

Are you sure about your simcraft results?

[JvChequer 43]

I Think Simcraft is overrating the RNG factor of Lei Shen's trinket.

 

I would not use the trinket besides council fights at all, to risk, better go with Immersius + BBOY

 

Btw, Gahhda, current for mage fire / frost / arcane which trinkets are best trinkets? I Say Dark Shaman one + Immersius for Mage but some ppl say BBOY + Immersius, u have some sims about it?

Edited September 15, 2013 by JvChequer

[Sifon 25]

I played Demo on Thok and had %100 crit on Doom on most of the tries with 2/2 HC UVLS. I don't think Simcraft overrates it.

[Zagam 1,983]

I'm running Demo this week.  Mine is 543 version, so I'll be able to figure something out.  Hoping to snag Bindings from Flex to replace Breath.

[gahhda 95]

with the 120 second reset on pull no matter how much time between attempts it nearly ALWAYS procs, 90-95% in the first 5 seconds. Major improvement from last tier, and its proc rate didn't actually go down much, we didn't stack that much haste last tier to begin with on demo.

[Annoroth 5]

Jumped into SoO and got a normal PBI this evening. Upgrading from a 530 Breath, but it seems that reforgelite isn't able to reforge properly with the Amp effect. Anyone seeing the same issue/have a solution?

 

Edit: Wow, I apparently completely forgot about math. In case anyone pulls a dumb like I did, just calculate a new "from gear" BP using your amp value, especially since this was covered earlier in this thread. 

 

Edit 2: I think I'm running into a new problem. 561Bindings, should be an 8% Amp. Without the trinket equipped, I have 9068 Haste. With the trinket equipped, I have 9752 haste.

 

9068*1.08 = 9793.44 Haste

 

The upgrades must be only giving a fractional amp. 

Edited September 16, 2013 by Annoroth

[Zagam 1,983]

with the 120 second reset on pull no matter how much time between attempts it nearly ALWAYS procs, 90-95% in the first 5 seconds. Major improvement from last tier, and its proc rate didn't actually go down much, we didn't stack that much haste last tier to begin with on demo.

Confirmed during my Flex test Sunday.  Proc'd at the start of each fight every time and seemed to proc much more often throughout the fight.  I'm thinking Bindings + UVLS is the clear winner for Demo.  I don't even feel bad about losing KTT to the Ele or BBoY to the Mage haha

 

Jumped into SoO and got a normal PBI this evening. Upgrading from a 530 Breath, but it seems that reforgelite isn't able to reforge properly with the Amp effect. Anyone seeing the same issue/have a solution?

 

Edit: Wow, I apparently completely forgot about math. In case anyone pulls a dumb like I did, just calculate a new "from gear" BP using your amp value, especially since this was covered earlier in this thread. 

 

Edit 2: I think I'm running into a new problem. 561Bindings, should be an 8% Amp. Without the trinket equipped, I have 9068 Haste. With the trinket equipped, I have 9752 haste.

 

9068*1.08 = 9793.44 Haste

 

The upgrades must be only giving a fractional amp. 

So without trinket, you have 9068 Haste.  With it, you have 9752.  Looks like your Amp is 7.543%.  It might be worthy to look into each person's ACTUAL contribution of stats from your Amplification trinket.  Since all of you lucky people got one and I didn't, here's my call to arms:

 

CALL TO ARMS: Anyone with Purified Bindings of Immerseus - please list your Haste and Mastery values WITHOUT the trinket and then list your Haste and Mastery values WITH the trinket.  We can find out the exact percentages instead of Blizz's clearly rounded efforts.  Let's fill out this chart...

 

528 - LFR - 0/2 - Shown Value = 5.0%.  Actual Value = ?

532 - LFR - 1/2 - Shown Value = ?.  Actual Value = ?

536 - LFR - 2/2 - Shown Value = ?.  Actual Value = ?

 

540 - Flex - 0/2 - Shown Value = 6.0%.  Actual Value = ?

544 - Flex - 1/2 - Shown Value = ?.  Actual Value = ?

548 - Flex - 2/2 - Shown Value = ?.  Actual Value = ?

 

553 - Normal - 0/2 - Shown Value = 7.0%.  Actual Value = ?

557 - Normal - 1/2 - Shown Value = ?.  Actual Value = ?

561 - Normal - 2/2 - Shown Value = 8.0%.  Actual Value = 7.543%

 

559 - Warforged - 0/2 - Shown Value = ?.  Actual Value = ?

563 - Warforged - 1/2 - Shown Value = ?.  Actual Value = ?

567 - Warforged - 2/2 - Shown Value = ?.  Actual Value = ?

 

566 - Heroic - 0/2 - Shown Value = ?.  Actual Value = ?

570 - Heroic - 1/2 - Shown Value = ?.  Actual Value = ?

574 - Heroic - 2/2 - Shown Value = ?.  Actual Value = ?

 

572 - H Warforged - 0/2 - Shown Value = ?.  Actual Value = ?

576 - H Warforged - 1/2 - Shown Value = ?.  Actual Value = ?

580 - H Warforged - 2/2 - Shown Value = ?.  Actual Value = ?

[JvChequer 43]

Credit: Here

 

 

Just give me my donuts Zagam

[Zagam 1,983]

Nice find.  Much appreciated.  Blizz has much trickery with those upgrades and the actual percentage increase.  Now I have to convert those into Haste values for thresholds...

[Zagam 1,983]

I think her formula is off...I thought they said SoO trinkets would be based off of ilvl 553 trinkets, not 463.  In ToT, the base item level was 528. 

 

She lists her formula of: P(ilvl) = P(463) * 1.15^((ilvl - 463))/15)

I think you replace 463 with 553 to get the values...which is why we see the small rounding effect on the 7% and 9%.  I'm pretty sure 7% and 9% are supposed to be exact.  Going to run numbers now...

[Zagam 1,983]

 

That's what I calculate.  Not a huge variance...but I think her basis is off.  I could be wrong, but again, the values are very small.  I think it will play out a bit on how the Haste exact thresholds are calculated though.  Anyone else remember the trinket basis being 553 this tier?

[Kazistrasz 216]

Is it worth hanging onto 530 UVLS? I know the 543/549 versions are supposed to reign supreme, but what about those of us without the heroic version?

[Muoric 3]

Well based on your own math the 561 amp is 7,543. Now if you look at those numbers, 7,5427 does round to there but 7,5417 doesn't. So her formula gives the correct answer for that one at least unlike yours.