5.4 Warlock (Intellect) Trinkets

[Muoric 3]

Great document, thank you so much!

 

However, from the grouping on your tables, I don't know how to carry out the following comparison for Affliction:

 

1) I currently have Cha-Ye's normal (522).

2) I'm looking at replacing that with Yu-lon's Bite (535).

 

If I understand Ghadda's post correctly, Yulon would be an improvement over Chaye's, right?

How about that when we consider multi target bosses like Protectors?

The way you read it is to find the number for both trinkets. Yu-lon is 23 and normal Cha-Ye is 40. Both ofc for affliction. The one with the smaller number (order) is the better one, which in this case is Yu-Lon.

Would assume that for multi target the order for affliction stays pretty much the same. At least for those 2 trinkets. My personal pet peeve between those lists is that they don't take into account synergy between 2 trinkets. As an example having UVLS should make crit procs from other trinkets way worse.

[vaeevictiss 17]

Don't think so.  That's why I produced the chart.

actually i just found out it does!

 

I apparently have some type of luck. We had this drop last week on our first kill but our mage won it. I ended up getting it out of LFR and it still appears to be a much better replacement to the Talisman. Right now im paring it up with a 2/2 wushoo. Hopefully ill get lucky and get one out of our reg raid one of these weeks. It did help a bit tho, im currently at just under 93% mastery.

Edited September 18, 2013 by vaeevictiss

[Caolela 2]

Just got the 540 Amp trinket tonight. Does your chart mean that I'll need 9533 Haste before it'll proc decently (Destro)? I just did a full Mastery forge/gemming (82.6%) last night, and would have to do a Haste forge to get there.

Edited September 19, 2013 by Caolela

[Zagam 1,983]

For what to proc decent?  Are you talking about the Intellect proc?  The Intellect proc is an ICD proc of 115 seconds with a 15% chance on spell hit to proc after the 115 seconds is up.  Haste does nothing to this proc.

 

Destro doesn't use a 9778 Haste point, so I'm just not clear what you're asking. 

[Caolela 2]

"For example, if you want the 9778 Affliction threshold with the 561 Amplification trinket, you'd need 9093 Haste to cover it."

 

So in the case of the Destro with a 540 version, to get the 10,124 threshold, I'd need 9533 Haste according to the chart. I'm not clear on what that means. Will the percentage of amplification be the same with less than that Haste value?

Edited September 19, 2013 by Caolela

[Wolland 1]

"For example, if you want the 9778 Affliction threshold with the 561 Amplification trinket, you'd need 9093 Haste to cover it."

 

So in the case of the Destro with a 540 version, to get the 10,124 threshold, I'd need 9533 Haste according to the chart. I'm not clear on what that means. Will the percentage of amplification be the same with less than that Haste value?

 

The Amp trinket increases your 9,533 by 6.2%, making it reach the 10,124.

Edited September 19, 2013 by Wolland

[Caolela 2]

k, now I feel like an idiot. lol Don't know why I was thinking something else, must have been the "need x Haste to cover it" that threw me off.

 

Thanks.

[litex2x 0]

Sorry I just need some clarification. I have the ilvl 561 Purified Bindings of Immerseus and according to the spreadsheet I need to aim for 12774 haste rating. Should my character stat page still show 39% haste when fully raid buffed? I tried 12774 and my haste was like around 2% below that according to the stat page.

Edited September 19, 2013 by litex2x

[Zagam 1,983]

Could you like...you know, test it?  Unequip and it and re-equip it and see if the value changes. 

 

The values I put up are spot on...it's simple math.

[Caolela 2]

Yep, works fine. Haste went up by 6% when equipped.

[litex2x 0]

Could you like...you know, test it?  Unequip and it and re-equip it and see if the value changes. 

 

The values I put up are spot on...it's simple math.

I must be misunderstanding something or doing something wrong. Okay I'm using reforge lite to get to 12774 (12789 actual) but when I'm fully raid buff i'm not 39% haste. When I remove/add the trinket, the haste rating does go up and down. Is 12774 haste for goblins? I'm a troll.

Edited September 20, 2013 by litex2x

[Zagam 1,983]

None of the values I put were for Goblins.  The values I put are the values you need to have BEFORE the trinket goes on.  When the trinket goes on, the Amplification effect will take you to the threshold listed.

[litex2x 0]

None of the values I put were for Goblins.  The values I put are the values you need to have BEFORE the trinket goes on.  When the trinket goes on, the Amplification effect will take you to the threshold listed.

Omg lol there's my problem thanks

[Lockybalboa 618]

I'm tried as hell, I need a nerd question answered.

 

I just got the cleave trinket, what gets the most out of it? Demo or destro? Also what off trinket to go with it? Looking at H Spoils.

 

Thanks.

[Chobani 6]

Ugh. fuck the immerserues trinket. I was all YES AN ICD!!! Goooodbye RPPM.

.... Been rolling this trinket with KTT and sometimes they work okay. But other times, the fucker won't proc until DS and KTT have both fallen off. It hasn't always been proccing on pull like UVLS was.im watering so many shards at pull, SBSWing after KTT, and then haunt and then the wait game for Bindings to proc. at the last second, it usually does and so that's at her SBSW.

[Caolela 2]

Amp & Yu'lon's Bite here. No big dps spike at pull or on trash mobs will take some getting used to again. Have to test some more, but might put Wush's back in for YB.

Edited September 22, 2013 by Caolela

[Annoroth 5]

Ugh. fuck the immerserues trinket. I was all YES AN ICD!!! Goooodbye RPPM.

.... Been rolling this trinket with KTT and sometimes they work okay. But other times, the fucker won't proc until DS and KTT have both fallen off. It hasn't always been proccing on pull like UVLS was.im watering so many shards at pull, SBSWing after KTT, and then haunt and then the wait game for Bindings to proc. at the last second, it usually does and so that's at her SBSW.

 

Like old UVLS, make sure you're not casting in the ~2 minutes before pull. It definitely shouldn't be proccing until DS falls off, like you mentioned. With a 115 second ICD on PBI, your DS should be coming off cooldown partway through the PBI proc. They go very well together. 

[Zagam 1,983]

I'm tried as hell, I need a nerd question answered.

 

I just got the cleave trinket, what gets the most out of it? Demo or destro? Also what off trinket to go with it? Looking at H Spoils.

 

Thanks.

Get some z's son.  I think Gahhda runs/ran the sims on those trinkets, but it's a lot better to look at logs of players on those fights with certain trinkets. 

 

With some thought, I'd say Destruction benefits from the cleave because of Fire and Brimstone.  Each of those hits having a chance to cleave is just disgustingly nasty.  Also, cleaving Shadowburns and Chaos Bolt would be redonk.  Demonology's cleave would be ok, but Demo requires MUCH more on a pet than Destruction, and the Cleave trinket doesn't proc for pets.  For Destro, I'd say BBoY (sorry, had to) or Bindings (again, sorry).  Since you have neither, I'd just stay with Wush until you get one of those.  Also, Cleave trinket does NOT proc single target...it's a wasted passive.

 

Ugh. fuck the immerserues trinket. I was all YES AN ICD!!! Goooodbye RPPM.

.... Been rolling this trinket with KTT and sometimes they work okay. But other times, the fucker won't proc until DS and KTT have both fallen off. It hasn't always been proccing on pull like UVLS was.im watering so many shards at pull, SBSWing after KTT, and then haunt and then the wait game for Bindings to proc. at the last second, it usually does and so that's at her SBSW.

Not sure what you're doing with your opener to see results like this.  PBI has an ICD of 115 seconds, so the 120 second timer set before pull makes it so it can proc right off the bat.  Remember, it has a 15% chance to proc on spell hit when it is off CD.  Either you're having horrendous luck not seeing it early in the fight, or you're not landing enough hits.  It's a GOOD thing that it lines up with Dark Soul...that's the beauty of that trinket.

 

Amp & Yu'lon's Bite here. No big dps spike at pull or on trash mobs will take some getting used to again. Have to test some more, but might put Wush's back in for YB.

Don't use Yu'lon's Bite unless you have absolutely no other alternative 522 trinket.  That thing is so bad.  Seriously. 

 

Like old UVLS, make sure you're not casting in the ~2 minutes before pull. It definitely shouldn't be proccing until DS falls off, like you mentioned. With a 115 second ICD on PBI, your DS should be coming off cooldown partway through the PBI proc. They go very well together. 

Agreed.

[Meeloh 0]

Hey guys... quick question for you all. I have Breath536, Wush530, and UVLS 502 :(

 

I currently play Affli MS and Demo OS... we're about to kill the dark shamans and I'm wondering if I should get the Kardris trinket or let the Ele or Mage get it and just wait for Bindings. And which one do I replace first? Any suggestions? 

[Zagam 1,983]

I think I answerd this in the Demo question....trinket should go to best player, not best class.  If players are equal in skill, Multistrike is great for Affliction, but not as great as for DPS without pets such as Shaman + Mage.  Difference is marginal, however.  I'm also in the process of analyzing logs so I can't say for sure which is truly 'best.'  

 

Advice: grind ToT until you get better UVLS (raid was nerfed 20%)

Replace Breath with first SoO trinket and keep Wush + UVLS for Aff and UVLS + SoO trinket for Demo.

[Meeloh 0]

Thanks Zagam, always helpful man. I've run ToT since I came back to WoW and no UVLS :(

 

I guess I'm gonna pass on that Kardris for now then.

[Khaos 5]

i got a 530 uvls , should i get a 543/549 for progress or does it not matter that much?

[Zagam 1,983]

Only losing out on like 100 Int and a SLIGHTLY smaller proc increase...not likely enough to worry about. 

[Qerthal 0]

Wild Imps' Fel Firebolt now deals 30% less damage.

Unerring Vision of Lei Shen now has a 40% reduced chance to activate its effect for Warlocks.

 

Sooo....we can let go of the ToT trinket at last?

[Soulzar 42]

I would not be shocked if this is not enough to kill the trinket.  It still has wicked synergy with 2p and the Fury and MC charges it fuels was its key, not specifically the dmg from the imps spawned (though large contributors).  The imp nerf affects all Demo locks, trinket or not.  If the trinket still procs reliably on the pull, the trinkets potency is not going to be killed as drastically as it sounds.