Twinkielock 15 Report post Posted October 21, 2013 I know in T15 generally speaking ilevel > tier bonus. In T16 should we go after the tier bonus regardless of ilevel? For example I currently have Warforged pants. If I get Flex pants (or even LFR) and this would make a 4 piece should I use it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,983 Report post Posted October 21, 2013 Not sure downgrading from 567 to 536 (LFR) or 548 (Flex) would be worth it, but the 4pc is very valuable. It's basically a 33% uptime on 15% increased Crit rate which translates into 15% more powerful Chaos Bolts and 15% higher chance to double Ember generation. Typically item level to Tier comparisons are done over small gaps such as 574 vs 580 or 561 vs 567. In your case, the lost Intellect and secondary stats may not be worth it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omaric 246 Report post Posted October 21, 2013 Well, T15 was mostly ilvl > 4 piece. This tier our 4-piece is actually pretty useful in that it basically passively increases our ember generation, which is super amazing (especially in AoE). The uptime on the 4-piece is also pretty crazy if you're playing right. About your question specifically, I don't know that I'd replace Warforged pants with LFR pants. Flex pants, I would say yes. 4-piece is good, but pants are also a pretty big stat contributor and losing that many ilvls would hurt a bit. Flex - Use Flex pants if they become available LFR - Try them out and see if there's a difference (don't waste coins praying for them) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyanchan 2 Report post Posted October 23, 2013 Zagam, i remember i saw somewhere around here that you can get 3m+ chaos bolts, what the hell do you have to line up to get them? the highest i ever get is 2.7 and thats once in a blue moon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khalam 3 Report post Posted October 23, 2013 Max I got was around 2.6mil and that was without Banner. So I guess with a bit better gear and that crit buff you could get 3mil. Also tricks of the trade? :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,983 Report post Posted October 23, 2013 Zagam, i remember i saw somewhere around here that you can get 3m+ chaos bolts, what the hell do you have to line up to get them? the highest i ever get is 2.7 and thats once in a blue moon. Everything including 8-10 stacks of Black Blood with my opener. Since I have PBI, my max CB dropped to 2.5M, but my overall DPS is higher and my avg Chaos Bolt is higher. PBI boosts my Mastery by 8.5% and my crit damage by 8.5%, so overall, my CB does 17% more damage passively. This trinket is just unreal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rakupenda 15 Report post Posted October 23, 2013 Everything including 8-10 stacks of Black Blood with my opener. Since I have PBI, my max CB dropped to 2.5M, but my overall DPS is higher and my avg Chaos Bolt is higher. PBI boosts my Mastery by 8.5% and my crit damage by 8.5%, so overall, my CB does 17% more damage passively. This trinket is just unreal. Grats on your trinket...you lucky (finally) bastard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,983 Report post Posted October 23, 2013 Yeah, as soon as I got it, I volunteered to sit for Protectors, upgraded it, dropped Affliction, and reset up my bars for Demo. Welcome back, Wrathguard! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soulzar 42 Report post Posted October 24, 2013 Trinkets eluded me again for another week... neither H PBI or H KTT dropped last night. Our mage coined KTT so no more competition on that trinket when it drops for us and I got my Staff from Sha, so it was a good night regardless. 2 full progression nights for Malkorok! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,983 Report post Posted October 24, 2013 Godspeed. All I can say is learn to be patient with people making dumb mistakes. The hardest part of this fight is not asking your teammates why they are playing like they have one hand behind their back. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ilion 8 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Guys, how much dps do you get on your opener? I think I'm doing something really wrong, but can't really see what. Maybe it's just that I'm still rolling that 5.2 valor points trinket with a haste proc... Edited October 29, 2013 by Ilion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JvChequer 43 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Guys, how much dps do you get on your opener? I think I'm doing something really wrong, but can't really see what. Maybe it's just that I'm still rolling that 5.2 valor points trinket with a haste proc... I have the same problem, I play with some good skills and ranking in a few fights as destro but my opener feels weird. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ilion 8 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 I have the same problem, I play with some good skills and ranking in a few fights as destro but my opener feels weird. Thanks god I'm not the only one, I end up being near the top (raiding with some extremely well geared people), but hells, I feel I could do my opener much better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rakupenda 15 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Guys, how much dps do you get on your opener? I think I'm doing something really wrong, but can't really see what. Maybe it's just that I'm still rolling that 5.2 valor points trinket with a haste proc... Yeah...that could be why. Hard to beat 10k+ per trinket Int proc that the SoO ones give. I was trailing behind the other locks for a while until I dumped my ToT trinks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ilion 8 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Yeah...that could be why. Hard to beat 10k+ per trinket Int proc that the SoO ones give. I was trailing behind the other locks for a while until I dumped my ToT trinks. If only I could get my hands on a sweet PBI... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JvChequer 43 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Thanks god I'm not the only one, I end up being near the top (raiding with some extremely well geared people), but hells, I feel I could do my opener much better. My affliction opener it's around...IDK, 850k? Where my Destro opening looks like around 650k. IDK it's just an impression or Destro really loses by far at Opening for affliction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ilion 8 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 My affliction opener it's around...IDK, 850k? Where my Destro opening looks like around 650k. IDK it's just an impression or Destro really loses by far at Opening for affliction. I think that's a given, If affliction didn't have that burst it'd just suck balls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rakupenda 15 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 My affliction opener it's around...IDK, 850k? Where my Destro opening looks like around 650k. IDK it's just an impression or Destro really loses by far at Opening for affliction. And the longer the fight goes on, the more Destro gains on Affliction. After the burst opener with everything lining up, Affliction takes a back seat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omaric 246 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 And the longer the fight goes on, the more Destro gains on Affliction. After the burst opener with everything lining up, Affliction takes a back seat. Until they manage to line up BBoY with some other sexy procs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rakupenda 15 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Until they manage to line up BBoY with some other sexy procs. Consistency is key. It's like getting a good UVLS proc with meta haste lining up for multiple imps. On fights that happens you do good, on fights it doesn't you do less-than-optimal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omaric 246 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 I just think saying it takes a back seat is a little much, seeing how we're trying to convey the idea that all specs are doing well. This is really more dependent on trinket procs than spec choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rakupenda 15 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 A little exaggeration, but I meant it more along the lines of you won't be able to pull 1 million dps again after the first minute. It's definitely front-loaded (opposed to how it used to be end-loaded with the old Drain Soul) It boils down to this: Affliction's burst comes from snapshotting aligned trinkets and buffing them further with Haunt. You really only use 4 seconds of a 10 second trinket proc (2 for applying dots, 2 for Haunts). Destro/Demo's burst comes from pooling resources during no-proc downtime and using it up during trinket procs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,983 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Destro's opener involves getting two Chaos Bolts in your first 10 seconds. Do whatever you must to make that happen. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rakupenda 15 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Destro's opener involves getting two Chaos Bolts in your first 10 seconds. Do whatever you must to make that happen. ^ + RoF with Haste. I see many forgetting the heavenly fireballs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ilion 8 Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Destro's opener involves getting two Chaos Bolts in your first 10 seconds. Do whatever you must to make that happen. Then it's just the missing trinket which is hurting me so much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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