5.4 Destruction Tips and Quirks

[Zagam 1,983]

The point was 800k isn't low by a self-generating means.  Those that go over 1M on single target are getting outside help.

[Omaric 246]

I wish I got tricks. *daydreams*

 

I didn't say 800k was low, I said it was low for *me*.  :P

[Zagam 1,983]

HUMBLEBRAG BRO

 

If your top DPS in your guild (which I saw in your meters), why aren't you getting tricks on CD?  15% dmg buff for 6 seconds on 30 second CD = 3% dmg buff.  One Rogue in your group isn't earning his keep.

[Omaric 246]

Cuz I'm too much for our tank's threat to handle?  I don't know, lol.  I've asked, but my rogue buddy (who will be coming to Blizzcon as well) had to stop playing.  Even when he was here though, there was another rogue, and they made sweet Tricks Love to each other.  Fucking rogues....... *eye slits*

[Zagam 1,983]

So silly.  I made a WA for Tricks...extra 15% on my CB is quite tasty.  On Thok, I actually watch for it and try to line it up wtih an Ember filling up for 30% boost to CB.

[Omaric 246]

I don't think I've ever hated you like I hate you right meow.  It's kind of exciting.

[Zagam 1,983]

Sounds like Timeless Isle general chat.  Just going to let you know right now I feed on those tears and will enhance your hatred with my Flag of Ownership. 

 

Let the hate flow...

[Kazistrasz 216]

I'm not saying I don't go for two embers in the first ten seconds. I'm just saying I don't consider that the end of my opener, as I'm still pushing another CB as quick as I can and if the RNG gods are good maybe a second. I just have to have a lot of crits to get 30 emberbits. 

 

Also forgot, you guys are Horde. Easier to fit a 4th CD in 20 seconds when you have Berserking. (Cue Locky to rage on racials).

 

800k is a bit out of my reach at the moment. Lower ilvl and a flex weapon means I can't actually get my numbers that high. It's everything I can do to get a Chaos Bolt for a little over 2mil at the moment. I can break 700k, but 800k is having the stars aligning (though I did get a nice little bit of that Tuesday on Juggernaut with 4 straight KTT procs back to back on the pull, stayed over 400k almost to phase 2).

[Wolland 1]

On Garrosh, I manage to squeeze two Doomgards in my opnener.

Edited October 31, 2013 by Wolland

[Omaric 246]

That sounds painful.

[Zokeh 0]

Is the stat priority still valid for the current patch?

 

Having virtually no haste would make casting incinerates without backdraft a big pain, atleast for me :-). - I'm currently sitting on 24,5 % haste from haste rating alone :O.

 

 

Should I gem purely for mastery, or go for socket bonus that provide +60 int or better?

Or should I only gem for socket bonus, if sockets are red or yellow (int mastery gem/mastery gem).

 

 

Your efforts are much appreciated, thank you for this very detailed post!

 

 

//Zokeh

Edited October 31, 2013 by Zokeh

[Rakupenda 15]

 

Ok, 10 second ICD it is.

[Omaric 246]

Is the stat priority still valid for the current patch?

 

Having virtually no haste would make casting incinerates without backdraft a big pain, atleast for me :-). - I'm currently sitting on 24,5 % haste from haste rating alone .

 

 

Should I gem purely for mastery, or go for socket bonus that provide +60 int or better?

Or should I only gem for socket bonus, if sockets are red or yellow (int mastery gem/mastery gem).

 

 

Your efforts are much appreciated, thank you for this very detailed post!

 

 

//Zokeh

You are so intent on stats that it's almost scary. Just make mastery your priority. I don't really recommend skipping out on socket bonuses, but sometimes it just doesn't matter. Incinerate without backdraft really isn't that slow of a cast. Haste is basically my lowest stat and I don't feel like I'm slugging around.

[Ilion 8]

Is the stat priority still valid for the current patch?

 

Having virtually no haste would make casting incinerates without backdraft a big pain, atleast for me :-). - I'm currently sitting on 24,5 % haste from haste rating alone .

 

 

Should I gem purely for mastery, or go for socket bonus that provide +60 int or better?

Or should I only gem for socket bonus, if sockets are red or yellow (int mastery gem/mastery gem).

 

 

Your efforts are much appreciated, thank you for this very detailed post!

 

 

//Zokeh

 

 

Just use Mr.Robot, use a haste cap you're comfortable playing with and then reforge the remaining ratings to crit rating.

[JvChequer 43]

Zagam really should open a thread and fixed with the title saying "DESTRO STATS = MASTERY > CRIT =~ Haste"

 

 

And a Pony image inside the thread.

[Vile 9]

Alternatively "Stop focusing so much on secondary stats and start focusing on perfecting your playstyle!".

[Zagam 1,983]

Wouldn't matter, it'd be ignored. 

[Omaric 246]

Alternatively "Stop focusing so much on secondary stats and start focusing on perfecting your playstyle!".

 

I don't think that's been said more than it's been said in these forums.  It's not really something people believe or identify with.  Nobody wants to think that they're at fault for lower performance.  :D

[Hexzion 3]

Quick question.

 

Is there an ilvl with PBI and Wush that using GoSac over GoSup is a better idea? 

 

I've tried like mad to get KTT, but no luck yet.  Currently ilvl 558 (but that might go up a point with valor upgrades).

 

I know it's been discussed that once you get KTT, GoSac is better, but I've seen other 'locks at 557 using GoSac without it.

 

Is there a consensus?

 

Edit (question is for Destruction, but, does it also apply to Aff?)

Edited November 1, 2013 by Hexzion

[Zagam 1,983]

Sac = Supr essentially without KTT.  Sac pets.  If Hunters could sacrifice their pets, they would.  Pet pathing is still retarded.  They should spend an expansion reworking pets.

 

You want Supremacy for Affliction.

[Hexzion 3]

Is it odd that I feel giddy about receiving a response from you Zagam?  Such an honor....

 

Anyway, I humbly suggest that under section 16 Glyphs and Talents, something is mentioned there.  If GoSac is the way it should be for Destruction at any ilvl (or at least at whatever ilvl is should be) then I've been doing it wrong (wrong-ish) and that information would be helpful for anyone checking out the guide.

 

Thanks for the help!

[Zagam 1,983]

Is it odd that I feel giddy about receiving a response from you Zagam?  Such an honor....

 

Anyway, I humbly suggest that under section 16 Glyphs and Talents, something is mentioned there.  If GoSac is the way it should be for Destruction at any ilvl (or at least at whatever ilvl is should be) then I've been doing it wrong (wrong-ish) and that information would be helpful for anyone checking out the guide.

 

Thanks for the help!

I put my pants on the same way you do, man.  One leg at a time.  I'm really not that great...I just use Icy-Veins as a medium to offer whatever help I can. 

 

I'll update it.  Things change dynamically and sometimes I neglect the guide.  Thanks for pointing it out and reinforcing that I, too, am human and make mistakes. :)

[Watermasta 7]

Stop lying Zagam, You demonic portal into your pants .

[Hexzion 3]

I put my pants on the same way you do, man.  One leg at a time.  I'm really not that great...I just use Icy-Veins as a medium to offer whatever help I can. 

 

I'll update it.  Things change dynamically and sometimes I neglect the guide.  Thanks for pointing it out and reinforcing that I, too, am human and make mistakes.

 

You know, it's probably because the typical response on other forums is RTFM.  Instead, here, people take the time to answer the questions.  It's something I appreciate; you put more time into answering actual questions than updating the guide and calling it a day.  I do however, try to read the guides that someone took the time to do, before asking a question, and noticed it wasn't there.  I did find the answer I was looking for to a degree, but there wasn't anything in the answer that specified a target ilvl for switching from GoSup to GoSac.  Maybe that's because there isn't.  If you're in 496 timeless purples going destruction, you should be using GoSac.  Not sure.  That's part of why I asked. 

 

As someone who doesn't post much, but tries to read all I can, I want to say thanks for ALL of the info and advice this community discusses.  It HAS made me a better Warlock.

[Twinkielock 15]

I know roughly Sac = Sup for talents. If you take Sac, should you wait between Chaos Bolts to get the full effect from the dot? If you have 3 full embers, and favorable procs are you better off to cast all 3 bolts back to back?