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Mike Donais on Cubelock

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According to the Principal Game Designer, Cubelock isn't as powerful as it seems.

Cubelock won't be touched in the upcoming balance changes which, for many people, is a sign that the deck will completely dominate the meta after said changes become active.

The deck is already prominent enough that people have started making false claims about it. A Reddit user claimed that he faced 17 Cubelocks in a row! However, Mike Donais put the matter into place by saying that there was no such streak in Blizzard's internal data and that Cubelock is currently the 12th best deck.

He subsequently explained that he expects the deck to rise after the nerfs, but he's not too worried because it's a challenging (and expensive, I would add) deck to master. If the team feels that Cubelock is too powerful, though, they will evaluate it.

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I just checked the data, and no one played 17 cubelocks in a row today.

If you are indeed having trouble with Cubelock there are several decks that beat it consistently right now. It is currently the 12th best deck.

I did enjoy the title of your post though. (source)

 


 

A couple people asked why the stats I mentioned don't metch VS power ranking so I looked up VS 79 and across all rankings Control Warlock is the 10th best deck. I assume they mix control and cube warlock in their stats. We have decks broken out a bit more but 10th gives you the general idea.

Obviously after the nurfs it will be stronger since none of the cards in cubelock are being nurfed and that concerns me but it is a pretty challenging deck with a lot of opportunities to show off player skill. People will eventually get better at playing it, but people will also put in more weapon destruction or silence cards if it gets more popular.

I am excited to see what people figure out after the patch. If Warlock is a big problem after people have some time to adjust and tune the new decks then we will look into it. I have said many times before that win rate is not the most important factor in our nurf decisions. How people feel matters more, so we will listen to players and make decisions based on that, just like we did in the past with Quest Rogue and Patron Warrior. (source)

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Everytime i face lock in HS i know its cubelock and every single time i am right. Its not fun at all, you just face guy that will exhaust you to death if you dont have some luck as deck that wasn't made just to counter cubelock. Also wtf response is that i need to play some certain deck or class if i want to have chance vs cubelock? Should be balance this way that everyone got some chance.

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someone remind them that cubelock was perma banned on their world championship held just a month ago without the nerfs!

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Played like 8 games today and haven't seen any cube lock. But(!) I faced 4 jade druids! Why everybody forgot about them? I have no Idia how to counter them now days with out all cards available in the collection. Also i'm not sure if its a good idia to craft something from the scratch with upcoming end of the Year of Mammoth... 

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I predicted that all the nuts will return to jade druid when then nerfs go live.

About your crafting concerns:

  • Don't craft cards from Old Gods or Mean Streets
  • Don't craft cards that rely on cards from Old Gods, Mean Streets or Karazhan to be good.

Crafting cards from Classic, Un'goro, KFT and K&C should be save in general, except for those who rely on cards from sets which wll rotate out soon.

There are cards which are very versatile and will always find a place in a good deck in the future, even if they get nerfed or moved to the hall of shame you will be refunded and lose no dust.

A few safe cards to craft: (it's my personal opinion and ofc different people have different preferences)

Legends:

Epics:

I'm sure I forgot a few good cards and in case I'm totally wrong about a card I mentioned here, let me know.

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Thats a good list.

Some points;

Keleseth is much weaker now, after Patches and Creeper nerfed.

Kingsbane could be added as it will be a powerful choice to beat warlocks. And next rotation doesn't do much to recent lists. Only Squidface leaves standard I guess.

I would probably add Alex there, as it is a very powerful card for most possible Mage archetypes, it is some kind of heal and a combo enabler.

And there are cubelock cards which are pretty safe to craft I would say. Those being Taldaram, Umbra and Cube. Deck loses pretty much nothing with the next rotation.

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17 hours ago, Zadina said:

How people feel matters more, so we will listen to players and make decisions based on that, just like we did in the past with Quest Rogue and Patron Warrior.

Sad. Just sad.

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15 hours ago, Erialis said:

Also wtf response is that i need to play some certain deck or class if i want to have chance vs cubelock? Should be balance this way that everyone got some chance.

I think it's a valid response seeing as how there have always been that 1 or 2 decks that have been incredibly strong and would probably beat you unless you had a good counter for it.

There is no single deck that will win against everything and the game have always had bit of "Rock, paper, scissors" in it so I see nothing strange about it this season.

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14 hours ago, InfernalDevil said:

Played like 8 games today and haven't seen any cube lock. But(!) I faced 4 jade druids! Why everybody forgot about them? I have no Idia how to counter them now days with out all cards available in the collection. Also i'm not sure if its a good idia to craft something from the scratch with upcoming end of the Year of Mammoth... 

here is your answer: Skulking Geist

best card against jade druid

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