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We now have all class guides updated and ready for the Season of Nightmares, Live now on EU servers, at 5 PM PDT on US and 5PM KST in Asia. The addition of the Witch Doctor and Wizard has rounded out our new and updated builds overview and you can now check them all out right here and get familiarized as we head to that level 70 and start collecting all the necessary loot.

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"New season, new formats! Let's change all our guide tagging. Suggestions?"
"There's a big buff to Sage's doubling drops on DBs in this patch."
"Ah, yes, let's remove all mention of this in our build tags."

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Rapid Fire Demon Hunter (LoN) (New) (Top Tier)

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Yeah tags need some work. Pretty sure for example Singularity LoN build is turbo fast build for GR but not tagged as GR speedfarm like others. Also I'm concerned about Firebird starter build still not fixed after Firebird set rework which requires 3 fire spells to proc dmg but guide still shows only 2 fire spells. This can be misleading.

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1 hour ago, Kaelos said:

Yeah tags need some work. Pretty sure for example Singularity LoN build is turbo fast build for GR but not tagged as GR speedfarm like others. Also I'm concerned about Firebird starter build still not fixed after Firebird set rework which requires 3 fire spells to proc dmg but guide still shows only 2 fire spells. This can be misleading.

The tags are definitely all over the place, but I think the prerequisite for [gr-speed-farming] is probably that the build is designed for that activity (or has a variant listed that is), i.e. maximizing DPS in group situations with a support, or sacrificing survivability or damage for speed. I think builds that just happen to work well enough are overlooked in cases the guide doesn't specifically tailor them to.

It doesn't help that this redesign is happening at the same time as an influx of new builds, and literally the day of. As I and others pointed out already, the tags don't even match between this post and the actual guides. 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I guess with Diablofans out of action, lack of competition lowered the bar.

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Heya! Just wanted to clear some misconceptions, since it does look a bit hectic and inconsistent at the moment.

First of all, I do apologize for the discrepancies between this post and our actual rankings! I should have communicated better with Starym on a megathread post like that, but hopefully with the re-arrangement and some tag fixing things are a little more clear. You are also absolutely right that our current tagging system doesn't let people know which guides feature Death's Breath farming alterations, and we'll be fixing that asap.

That being said, I want to let you know the plan for the next few weeks, as those tags come into actual use! The plan for the first few weeks of Season 17 is to split the guides into their own proper Sub-Categories, so that Greater Rift pushing guides no longer mix with Speed farming recommendations and vice versa. The idea is to have a much clearer presentation of which guide you are looking at, what its purpose is, and that you get to the information you need faster and more accurate.

It should also lead to shorter sentences, which is my long-term bane 🙂

The idea is definitely not to lower the bar after our peer's closure!

 

 

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I kid. I see new faces, new builds, new organization, and a flurry of new-season activity underway all around the same time. It'd be weird if nothing went wrong somewhere.

It's great that you guys are pushing to increase granularity in build sorting. Once upon a time we had to click on builds to even see what they were for. Soon, it looks like we'll know which gold-farming build is optimal for Tuesdays! This is kind of a big deal, though, because it lets us drill down a little more and many users are used to the depth of this aspect of DiabloFans.

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Yea I think there was something wrong with the tier list marking at the time i looked it up and added to the article (since the guides were still being updated), so I apologize for the weirdness with the Top Tier stuff etc. (although to be fair I did think Rapid Fire COULD be a top tier build sooo, clearly I'm not that bright 😄 )

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