How To Improve As Subtlety Rogue — The War Within (11.2.5)
On this page, you will find out how you can improve at playing Subtlety Rogue in World of Warcraft — The War Within (11.2.5). We list the common mistakes that you should try to avoid and the small details that can greatly improve your performance.
Cooldowns
Subtlety Rogue is all about maximizing short burst windows by combining as many of your cooldowns as possible
it very important that you're using your cooldowns together. At first it might feel weird to have cooldowns be available and not
use them immediately, since the vast majority of other specs do that, but for Subtlety its typically fine as long as its not
 Flagellation and
 Flagellation and  Shadow Blades. You have to realize Subtlety does absolutely no damage whatsoever outside of
 Shadow Blades. You have to realize Subtlety does absolutely no damage whatsoever outside of
 Shadow Dance, the only thing you are interested in outside cooldowns is to setup your next cooldown window by either farming
cooldown reduction on
 Shadow Dance, the only thing you are interested in outside cooldowns is to setup your next cooldown window by either farming
cooldown reduction on  Shadow Dance by using combo points, preserving set stacks, holding charges of
 Shadow Dance by using combo points, preserving set stacks, holding charges of  Shadow Dance/
 Shadow Dance/
 Symbols of Death or holding onto
 Symbols of Death or holding onto  Coup de Grace.
 Coup de Grace.
Following the Burst Sequence listed under the rotation page is key to this. Every single  Flagellation and
 Flagellation and  Shadow Blades
usage should have 2
 Shadow Blades
usage should have 2  Symbols of Death, 2
 Symbols of Death, 2  Shadow Dances and 2
 Shadow Dances and 2  Secret Techniques. It is better to slightly overcap
on
 Secret Techniques. It is better to slightly overcap
on  Shadow Dance cooldown reduction and sit on 2 charges for a while than to use it too often and subsequently dont have enough to use
2 of them back to back during your
 Shadow Dance cooldown reduction and sit on 2 charges for a while than to use it too often and subsequently dont have enough to use
2 of them back to back during your  Shadow Blades.
 Shadow Blades.
Knowing How To Sim Yourself
It is impossible to correctly play and optimize a Subtlety Rogue without using Raidbots to sim your own character, there are simply too many variables involved to intuitively figure out what gear to wear and so on without simming it first. Generally speaking, a simulation should be the first and final say in the gear you end up wearing for any given situation.
On top of this, simming is now very easy, with no need to understand SimulationCraft APLs or installation yourself. All you will need is the in-game SimulationCraft AddOn, and the Raidbots website. Below, you can find a video on how to sim your own character using the website.
Changelog
- 05 Oct. 2025: Reviewed for Patch 11.2.5.
- 04 Aug. 2025: Reviewed for Patch 11.2.
- 15 Jun. 2025: Reviewed for Patch 11.1.7.
- 21 Apr. 2025: Reviewed for Patch 11.1.5.
- 24 Feb. 2025: Updated for Patch 11.1
- 15 Dec. 2024: Updated for Patch 11.0.7.
- 09 Sep. 2024: Reviewed for The War Within Season 1.
- 22 Aug. 2024: Reviewed for The War Within.
- 23 Jul. 2024: Reviewed for The War Within Pre-Patch.
- 07 May 2024: Reviewed for 10.2.7.
- 22 Apr. 2024: Reviewed for Season 4
- 20 Mar. 2024: Reviewed for Patch 10.2.6.
- 15 Jan. 2024: Reviewed for Patch 10.2.5.
- 06 Nov. 2023: Reviewed for patch 10.2.
- 04 Sep. 2023: Reviewed for Patch 10.1.7
- 10 Jul. 2023: Reviewed for Patch 10.1.5.
- 01 May 2023: Page reviewed and updated for Patch 10.1.
- 20 Mar. 2023: Reviewed for Patch 10.0.7.
- 24 Jan. 2023: Reviewed for Patch 10.0.5.
- 11 Dec. 2022: Reviewed for Dragonflight Season 1.
- 28 Nov. 2022: Reviewed for Dragonflight launch.
- 25 Oct. 2022: Updated for Dragonflight pre-patch.
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This guide has been written by Eleem, who has been a rogue player, enjoyer and theorycrafter since Legion. He is currently raiding in a top 100 guild and has been known to dabble in Mythic+ from time to time. You can find him in the Ravenholdt Discord as Eleem.
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