Subtlety Rogue Frequently Asked Questions in Battle for Azeroth (BfA) 8.0.1

Last updated on Aug 13, 2018 at 02:20 by Ashine 71 comments

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General Information

On this page, we list all of the frequently asked questions for a Subtlety Rogue in World of Warcraft Battle for Azeroth 8.0.1.

The other pages of our Subtlety Rogue guide can be accessed from the table of contents on the right.

About Our Author

This guide has been written by Ashine, European Champion of the second Mythic Dungeon Invitational and a member of two top 60 guilds, Wiping as Intended and Group Therapy. He is regarded as one of the top Subtlety Rogues in the world and contributes a fair bit to the spec's theorycrafting. You can watch him play on Twitch.

1. Battle for Azeroth Frequently Asked Questions

This section will go over several of the most frequently asked questions regarding Subtlety Rogues in Battle for Azeroth.

1.1. Should I Use Fast or Slow Off-Hand Weapons?

Use a dagger in off-hand, unless you have a slow weapon that is around 40 item levels higher than your dagger.

1.2. Why Does Haste Have Such High Value in Simulationcraft?

In Battle for Azeroth, your auto-attacks contribute a larger portion of your overall damage. This, in combination with us losing many Energy sources, makes Haste a very desirable stat.

1.3. Does Our Stat Priority Change on Multi-Target?

On multiple targets, Mastery gains more value while Haste loses some. This is due to a larger portion of our damage coming from finishers on AoE and the accelerated resource gain diminishes the value of Haste.

1.4. What Azerite Traits Should I Aim To Get?

Blade In The Shadows Icon Blade In The Shadows and Inevitability Icon Inevitability are far ahead of other traits on single-target. Note that, in situations where you are casting Shuriken Storm Icon Shuriken Storm, these traits do effectively nothing as they only work with Shadowstrike Icon Shadowstrike and Backstab Icon Backstab. To get a better understanding of Azerite traits, refer to the Simulations page.

1.5. What Piece is Better, X or Y?

The answer to this question in any context will always be to simulate it. This is because an upgrade for you may not be an upgrade for someone else. In other words, there is no such thing as a one-size-fits-all answer, even when talking about 2 completely identical comparisons from you to another person. Everything in your gear has an effect on everything else.

This applies to gear, azerite pieces, trinkets, and even talents in certain situations.

The only exception to this rule is when a specific fight dictates a certain set of optimal talents, for example. If you are curious about what kind of setup to go for a specific fight,'s rankings and statistics are a good place to see what others are doing.

We have a guide on how to sim yourself here:

1.6. How Much of X Stat Should I Have?

For the most part, there is no set "amount" of any stat that you should have. There are also no stat goals or particular distributions of stats that you want to aim for. It is very common for people to overestimate the importance of having the "right" secondaries, when in reality, having a higher quantity of stats will almost always beat having "better" stats. Having 120 of your worst stat is often better than having 100 of your best stat, since the differences in value are not as big as many people think.

2. Changelog

  • 13 Aug. 2018: Updated for Battle for Azeroth launch.
  • 11 Aug. 2018: Page added.
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