Subtlety Rogue DPS Spec, Builds, and Talents — The War Within (Season 1)

Last updated on Oct 23, 2024 at 18:00 by Oxi 68 comments
General Information

On this page, you will find out the best talents for each tier for your Subtlety Rogue in World of Warcraft — The War Within (Season 1). We also have default talent lists for various types of content, such as raiding or Mythic+. If you play with Warmode on, we have your PvP talents covered as well.

If you were looking for WotLK Classic content, please refer to our WotLK Classic Subtlety Rogue talents.

On this page, we will go over every single talent available to Subtlety Rogues. Many of them are only passive effects, but they all can have an impact on how the spec is played, whether active or passive. To see how these choices fit into how you play as a Subtlety, take a look at the Rotation section of our guide.

1.

Talent Cheat Sheets for Subtlety Rogue

While optimizing talents on a contextual basis is the highly recommended method of setting up your build, the talent builds listed below work great for specific purposes.

1.1.

Single-Target (Raiding)

The go-to build for all Single Target Encounters in Raid.

You can easily import the talent tree below into the game by clicking 'Export Talents'.

Subtlety Single Target Raiding Build
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The suggested builds might differ based on the current tier's bosses, so make sure to read the dedicated raiding page below.

1.2.

AoE/Cleave Mythic+/Delves Build

You can easily import the talent tree below into the game by clicking 'Export Talents'.

Subtlety Mythic Plus Build
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Due to the dynamic nature of Mythic+, different affixes and dungeons can change our choice of talents. Check out the Mythic+ page below.

2.

Best TWW Delve Talents for Subtlety Rogue

Delves are new content in TWW that you can engage with solo or with up to three friends. They are short scenarios, and thanks to your ability to Stealth Icon Stealth you'll be able to bypass some of the stages almost entirely thanks to being able to skip straight to objectives, instead of having to fight.

Surviving is tough as the enemies hit hard, especially when you are undergeared, and your follower's heals aren't that strong. This build will feel familiar to those who are running Subtlety in Dungeons as it is almost the same exact build, however, you're substituting Thistle Tea Icon Thistle Tea for Recuperator Icon Recuperator for the little bit of extra healing. There are no time limits to these, so take it as slow as you need. Wait for cooldowns or to full heal, and you can also kite the mobs pretty easily. Crippling Poison Icon Crippling Poison is your friend, and you can also substitute Inevitability Icon Inevitability for Night Terrors Icon Night Terrors for extra help slowing enemies.

Subtlety Delve Build
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2.

Subtlety Rogue Class Tree Talents

The Class Tree for Subtlety Rogues is fairly straightforward, and the few choices you will have are mainly utility options, which we will talk about in this section.

2.1.

Rows 1-4

With the redesigned talent trees, your talent options can change quite a bit. The biggest change you can make in these rows is swapping Improved Sprint Icon Improved Sprint or Master Poisoner Icon Master Poisoner for Gouge Icon Gouge/Airborne Irritant Icon Airborne Irritant for some more CC options. However, untalenting Master Poisoner Icon Master Poisoner is not recommended.

While Master Poisoner Icon Master Poisoner does not increase our output, it makes our Atrophic Poison Icon Atrophic Poison reduce the target's damage dealt by 3.6% instead of 3% which means that you should always pick this talent for progression raiding.

2.2.

Rows 5-7

The options in these rows are extremely limited. However, with the redesign, we are now afforded more utility options than we were before. The only DPS option in these rows is Improved Ambush Icon Improved Ambush/Tight Spender Icon Tight Spender. There is a new talent, Shadowheart Icon Shadowheart, that, unless it gets changed by the time The War Within launches, is dead on arrival because it is literally useless.

2.3.

Rows 8-10

Much like in Dragonflight, these rows give us the meat of our DPS options in the class tree. Subterfuge Icon Subterfuge is now a 2-point node, and Without a Trace Icon Without a Trace caps off the right side of the Class Tree. The must disliked change to Acrobatic Strikes Icon Acrobatic Strikes; the beloved Melee Range extension is gone and has been replaced with a buff to auto-attack damage and movement speed. However, fret not, because Blizzard has managed to give us a great change to Echoing Reprimand Icon Echoing Reprimand, it is now called Supercharger Icon Supercharger and its a 2 point talent which gives you +2 combo points to your finishers. This has split many in the rogue community as many enjoyed the mini-game that Echoing Reprimand had but I believe this is better for the overall health of the entire class as it makes it less gimmicky. Also Blizzard decided to give us a choice node between the new Echoing Reprimand and Forced Induction Icon Forced Induction. Currently Forced Induction is a must take talent for Subtlety.

3.

Subtlety Rogue Spec Tree Talents

With The War Within, Shadow Dance Icon Shadow Dance is back as the identity for Subtlety Rogue. Both Assassination and Outlaw lost access to Shadow Dance. The difference between the ST build and the M+ builds still comes down to you either take Shuriken Tornado Icon Shuriken Tornado and Replicating Shadows Icon Replicating Shadows, or you don't.

3.1.

Rows 1-4

These first four rows remain almost completely unchanged; you'll see Without a Trace Icon Without a Trace has been removed completely and replaced with Shadow Focus Icon Shadow Focus. Overall, you'll take the same 8 points in every almost build for PvE purposes.

3.2.

Rows 5-7

This is where the meat of the War Within changes are. You'll notice Premeditation Icon Premeditation has been changed and allows you a budget version of Shadow Blades Icon Shadow Blades where your next combo point generator out of Stealth generates full combo points. You'll also notice a small change in the middle of the spec tree, the The First Dance Icon The First Dance/Master of Shadows Icon Master of Shadows choice node has been moved to where Shadow Focus Icon Shadow Focus once stood, Improved Shadow Dance Icon Improved Shadow Dance moved into the choice node's old spot, and Shadow Dance Icon Shadow Dance goes where Improved Shadow Dance was. This is a small shift in the Subtlety Spec Tree, which is welcomed but still not enough, as the Subtlety Spec Tree has gotten the least amount of love from Blizzard out of the three rogue specs.

3.3.

Rows 8-10

Much like in our class tree, these rows are packed with output options. Including the new Shadowcraft Icon Shadowcraft and Goremaw's Bite Icon Goremaw's Bite. If your only care is output DPS, the points you place in these rows are pretty much automatically decided. We always take Flagellation Icon Flagellation and Deeper Daggers Icon Deeper Daggers and round it off with Finality Icon Finality, Dark Shadow Icon Dark Shadow, Danse Macabre Icon Danse Macabre, Dark Brew Icon Dark Brew. Invigorating Shadowdust Icon Invigorating Shadowdust is finally gone, and to replace it comes Death Perception Icon Death Perception which becomes an absolute must take talent.

4.

PvP Talents (War Mode)

If you choose to, you can enable "War Mode." Enabling War Mode provides the following benefits:

  • PvP talents enabled in the outdoor world.
  • 10% increase in World Quest rewards at maximum level.
  • 15% more experience gained while leveling.
  • Earn Conquest Points, which can reward gear every week.

With the benefits of enabling War Mode for leveling and PvE content, it is recommended to enable the feature to maximize your leveling and rewards at maximum level. However, you will make yourself available for open-world PvP, and the possibility of being "ganked" while leveling or doing World Quests exists.

4.1.

Subtlety Rogue War Mode Talents

In this section, we will rank the PvP talents best for leveling and doing solo / small group PvE content. Below is a ranking of both General PvP Talents and Subtlety Rogue-specific PvP talents.

4.1.1.
  1. Death from Above Icon Death from Above is just a stronger Eviscerate Icon Eviscerate./li>
  2. Dagger in the Dark Icon Dagger in the Dark — Whenever Stealth is active, you apply a debuff to nearby enemies that causes them to take an additional 5% damage from your next Shadowstrike. Stacks up to 8 times. This is nothing special, but still a slight damage boost.
  3. Only two of the Honor Talents increase our DPS while outdoors, so the last choice is up to you on which one you think suits you the best.

Veil of Midnight Icon Veil of Midnight, Shadowy Duel Icon Shadowy Duel, Silhouette Icon Silhouette, Smoke Bomb Icon Smoke Bomb, Thick as Thieves Icon Thick as Thieves, Distracting Mirage Icon Distracting Mirage, Control is King Icon Control is King, Dismantle Icon Dismantle and Maneuverability Icon Maneuverability have limited use in PvE content in terms of increasing your damage in the open-world.

5.

Changelog

  • 23 Oct. 2024: Updated for Patch 11.0.5.
  • 09 Sep. 2024: Reviewed for The War Within Season 1.
  • 22 Aug. 2024: Updated for The War Within.
  • 23 Jul. 2024: Reviewed and Updated for The War Within pre-patch.
  • 07 May 2024: Reviewed for 10.2.7.
  • 22 Apr. 2024: Reviewed for Season 4
  • 20 Mar. 2024: Reviewed for Patch 10.2.6.
  • 15 Jan. 2024: Reviewed for Patch 10.2.5.
  • 24 Nov. 2023: Updated to add Shadowdust Talent Builds.
  • 06 Nov. 2023: Reviewed and Updated for patch 10.2.
  • 04 Sep. 2023: Reformated talent tables and descriptions.
  • 10 Jul. 2023: Small recommended talent updates.
  • 11 May 2023: Changed recommended talent to Flagellation over Dark Brew.
  • 09 May 2023: Added the new talent build with Aberrus tier set.
  • 01 May 2023: Page reviewed and updated for Patch 10.1.
  • 20 Mar. 2023: Reviewed for Patch 10.0.7.
  • 14 Feb. 2023: Updated recommended single-target talent build.
  • 24 Jan. 2023: Page updated and reviewed for Patch 10.0.5.
  • 17 Dec. 2022: Fixed import string for single-target spec.
  • 11 Dec. 2022: Updated recommended talents.
  • 28 Nov. 2022: Updated for Dragonflight launch.
  • 31 Oct. 2022: Changed recommended Raiding talent build and added comments on possible talent choices on certain rows.
  • 25 Oct. 2022: Updated for Dragonflight pre-patch.
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