Havoc Demon Hunter DPS Mythic+ Tips — Shadowlands 9.2.5

Last updated on Jul 30, 2022 at 20:46 by Wordup 38 comments
General Information

In this guide, you will find tips and advice to tackle Mythic+ dungeons with your Havoc Demon Hunter in World of Warcraft — Shadowlands 9.2.5.

1.

Unique Challenges of Mythic+

In Mythic+ Dungeons, in particular at higher key levels, you will be presented with some of the most challenging and competitive PvE content available in WoW alongside Mythic Raiding.

Therefore, when playing Havoc your responsibility to contribute to the groups success will be higher than in most raiding groups due to the lower group size, so skill and execution of strategy is crucial. The importance of being versatile and able to adapt to any situation is a key factor here, and one of the main reasons that some talent choices are taken that differentiate from ideal raid selections.

Alongside damage, utility such as interrupts, dispels and control are vital to handling many of the challenges you will find. The more you can bring to the table, the more aggressively you can pull and move through the dungeon comfortably.

In this guide, we will be discussing the finer points of Havoc Demon Hunter and how to get the most out of it, how to gear and set up your character, and some tips to push yourself further.

If you are unfamiliar with Mythic+ and its associated general mechanics, you can read more about it on our Shadowlands Mythic+ Season 4 page below.

2.

Havoc Demon Hunter Mythic+ Talent Build

If you want more information about all of the talent options and whether some could be useful in certain situations, you should use our dedicated Talent page.

Recommended talent choices for Havoc Demon Hunter in Mythic+ are as follows:

Level Choices
15 Blind Fury Blind Fury Demonic Appetite Demonic Appetite Felblade Felblade
25 Insatiable Hunger Insatiable Hunger Burning Hatred Burning Hatred Demon Blades Demon Blades
30 Trail of Ruin Trail of Ruin Unbound Chaos Unbound Chaos Glaive Tempest Glaive Tempest
35 Soul Rending Soul Rending Desperate Instincts Desperate Instincts Netherwalk Netherwalk
40 Cycle of Hatred Cycle of Hatred First Blood First Blood Essence Break Essence Break
45 Unleashed Power Unleashed Power Master of the Glaive Master of the Glaive Fel Eruption Fel Eruption
50 Demonic Demonic Momentum Momentum Fel Barrage Fel Barrage

With everything that came in 9.2 it has mostly pushed Havoc strongly into a cooldown AoE oriented build with Venthyr with sustained single-target in between. This build strongly leans toward Eye Beam Icon Eye Beam effects, with previous builds falling firmly behind because of weaker Legendary picks.

2.1.

Tier 1 Talents

Blind Fury Icon Blind Fury pairs excellently with Cycle of Hatred Icon Cycle of Hatred and Collective Anguish Icon Collective Anguish or Darkglare Boon Icon Darkglare Boon if used, upping the frequency of your Eye Beam Icon Eye Beam casts significantly. Felblade Icon Felblade does provide extra Fury, but is less efficient with an Eye Beam focus so is generally not picked, similar to Demonic Appetite Icon Demonic Appetite.

2.2.

Tier 2 Talents

Insatiable Hunger Icon Insatiable Hunger works best for pure Fury generation consistently, and pairs best with other talents taken. Demon Blades Icon Demon Blades is solid, but adds inconsistency and loses some strength from paused auto-attacks during Eye Beam Icon Eye Beams, while Burning Hatred Icon Burning Hatred is simply too low generation to be worth picking.

2.3.

Tier 3 Talents

Unbound Chaos Icon Unbound Chaos provides extremely high on-demand burst AoE that is completely uncapped and has some synergy with Night Fae, slotting in regardless of build. Glaive Tempest Icon Glaive Tempest also offers strong AoE with more consistency, but costs Fury so it can cause some disruption with Cycle of Hatred Icon Cycle of Hatred. Trail of Ruin Icon Trail of Ruin is a very niche option, but not generally recommended because of the burst AoE lost.

2.4.

Tier 4 Talents

Your choice here will come down to how high the key you are doing is, and how lethal the damage you are encountering is. The more dangerous a key, the more beneficial Soul Rending Icon Soul Rending becomes, due to the sustain. However, if there is one shot potential that you can predict, Netherwalk Icon Netherwalk will be invaluable.

2.5.

Tier 5 Talents

Cycle of Hatred Icon Cycle of Hatred is the cornerstone of the build to get extra Eye Beam Icon Eye Beam casts, and as such is the ideal pick in the majority of situations. There are fringe situations where First Blood Icon First Blood can work, but the higher the key goes the less this provides. Essence Break Icon Essence Break simply does not contribute enough to justify the GCD in an already locked rotation.

2.6.

Tier 6 Talents

Unleashed Power Icon Unleashed Power grants the most consistent access to additional crowd control in Mythic+ settings, making it easier to fire and forget Chaos Nova Icon Chaos Nova. Fel Eruption Icon Fel Eruption, on the other hand, grants an extra tool to lock down a target. Finally, Master of the Glaive Icon Master of the Glaive helps the tank to kite enemies if necessary, so all are viable picks.

2.7.

Tier 7 Talents

Demonic Icon Demonic completes the Eye Beam Icon Eye Beam focus and as such is the go-to pick alongside being extremely easy to get value out of. Momentum Icon Momentum does provide burst windows and has niche value, but the execution requirements are much higher and prone to lose out, and Fel Barrage Icon Fel Barrage is not worth the channel time to be worth taking compared to what is lost.

3.

Best Mythic+ Legendaries for Havoc Demon Hunter

Collective Anguish Icon Collective Anguish provides the highest amount of extra uncapped AoE damage with unconditional power between Covenants. It is also the most consistent. Nothing else really compares to this currently especially considering Venthyr is the dominant covenant and the synergy with Agony Gaze Icon Agony Gaze.

For more information about different Havoc Demon Hunter Legendaries, you can look at our dedicated Legendary page.

4.

Best Mythic+ Covenant, Soulbind and Conduits for Havoc Demon Hunter

Currently the strongest option is Venthyr, with all other options falling behind due to how much power can be leveraged by the mass Sinful Brand Icon Sinful Brand application from Metamorphosis Icon Metamorphosis. It also brings the strongest single-target damage thanks to the manual application for bosses, so is the go-to.

There are fringe situations where Night Fae could be considered, but its main issue is that the legendary it provides gets very little value at higher targets so is no longer recommended. Similarly, Necrolord and Kyrian simply do not provide enough damage to compete anymore.

Potency Conduit choices are more specific depending on the Covenant you are playing, and what your aim is within a dungeon:

Endurance Conduits should prioritize both Condensed Anima Sphere Icon Condensed Anima Sphere and Viscous Ink Icon Viscous Ink for the passive benefits, but Fel Defender Icon Fel Defender is also an option if you feel the extra Blur Icon Blur uptime will be useful. Finesse options are entirely a personal choice as they provide no tangible benefits.

With that said however, Covenant and Soulbind selections have a lot of different factors, so we recommend looking at our page discussing them for more information.

5.

Tier Set Bonuses for Havoc Demon Hunter in Mythic+

Havoc's tier set bonus provides flat damage increases to both Chaos Strike Icon Chaos Strike and Blade Dance Icon Blade Dance (and the respective Metamorphosis Icon Metamorphosis equivalents) which equate to passive benefits, but do not alter the rotation. The 4-piece bonus grants roughly 60 seconds of cooldown reduction (slightly lower in Mythic+ due to downtime) on Metamorphosis Icon Metamorphosis, which has some synergy with Venthyr but not enough to make it dominant. The only strong change here is it means you need to be more proactive than ever to keep it on cooldown and plan your uses accordingly.

6.

Shadowlands Season 4 Affix: Shrouded

This season's affix activated at key level 10 and above is Shrouded Icon Shrouded. This causes select packs in each dungeon to contain a Nathrezim Infiltrator that will trigger when engaged, turning into a small mini-boss with unique abilities. As each is defeated throughout the dungeon, you will gain a secondary stat increase of your choice selected at the start of the dungeon. Each time one of these is slain, you will also restore Health and Mana.

Your decision on secondary stats for offense is always Bounty: Haste Icon Bounty: Haste. There is an argument for prioritising Bounty: Versatility Icon Bounty: Versatility for more damage reduction, but this is only granted at half the rate of the other effects so it is more of a personal choice for survival.

7.

Legion Timewalking Event Seasonal Affix: Infernal

Legion Timewalking comes with a new Keystone level 10+ Seasonal Affix, Infernal Icon Infernal, and will spawn an object that can be interacted with in front of each boss. This will either spawn a Legion Lieutenant with a wave of adds when interacted with, or will immediately trigger when the boss is pulled, so depending on which boss you are dealing with you may want to handle it on its own.

7.1.

Havoc Demon Hunter Mythic+ Rotation Considerations

Havoc in Mythic+ deviates very little from the rotations covered in the Rotation, Cooldowns, and Abilities page we have listed, however there are some small nuances that are necessary to consider when it comes to cooldowns:

  • Due to the long cooldown Metamorphosis Icon Metamorphosis has, and the flexibility of the cooldown reset on Eye Beam Icon Eye Beam it gives, you should also know when this is going to be most valuable. This will depend on affixes and your group composition, varying between whether burst AoE for big pulls or boss damage is more desirable. This is especially true when playing Venthyr due to the AoE Sinful Brand Icon Sinful Brand.
  • Death Sweep Icon Death Sweep is worth using at 2 targets if using the Dancing with Fate Icon Dancing with Fate Conduit even with a Cycle of Hatred Icon Cycle of Hatred build, while Blade Dance Icon Blade Dance is at 4-5. This count is lower if you do not expect to get a reset on Eye Beam Icon Eye Beam before a pack dies.
  • You should plan out your uses of Eye Beam Icon Eye Beam, while also considering the cooldown reduction granted via Cycle of Hatred Icon Cycle of Hatred if taken, to make sure you have a strong opening salvo for AoE packs.
  • Try not to burn up short burst AoE cooldown tools like Eye Beam Icon Eye Beam, Unbound Chaos Icon Unbound Chaos and Glaive Tempest Icon Glaive Tempest when packs are low health, they are better served to use on a fresh pack with more targets.
  • You can use Immolation Aura Icon Immolation Aura to maintain Fury between packs, but remember this will waste the damage of the cast which is very relevant if it is not available when you pull next.

Just remember though that with all of these benefits that burst AoE grants for Havoc, it makes them very vulnerable to pulling aggro. There is often very little Havoc can do outside of an emergency Chaos Nova Icon Chaos Nova cast to give tanks a chance to catch up, but if you unload quickly, do not be surprised if some enemies turn to hit you.

For the details relating to the specific rotation rules Havoc operates by, use our dedicated rotation page.

7.2.

Havoc Demon Hunter Utility

Havoc Demon Hunter comes with a variety of tools that are useful in specific situations, alongside some universally powerful options. This covers AoE crowd control and offensive dispels, alongside group buff utility.

  • Consume Magic Icon Consume Magic is an offensive dispel tool on a 10-second cooldown, that also generates Fury when it successfully removes an effect. This has become increasingly useful, due to how many enemies have effects that demand dispels (see our Consume Magic macro on the Havoc Demon Hunter macro page).
  • Disrupt Icon Disrupt is the Havoc interrupt tool on a 15-second cooldown that also generates Fury when used. This should be used as frequently as possible both to prevent dangerous casts, and also capitalize upon the additional off global cooldown Fury generation (see our Disrupt macro on the Havoc Demon Hunter macro page).
  • Chaos Nova Icon Chaos Nova is an AoE stun tool available to Havoc, that stuns all nearby targets for 2 seconds on a 1-minute cooldown with a 30 Fury cost. This is great for disrupting large groups of enemies, and can also be made free with a reduced cooldown when using the Unleashed Power Icon Unleashed Power talent.
  • Imprison Icon Imprison can be used as a crowd control option if a target is too dangerous to engage in a group, or interrupt a high priority cast that is immune to interrupt effects. Enemies affected by this will also not aggro to your group, allowing you to use it to skip enemy packs if your route requires it.
  • Darkness Icon Darkness is a group defense tool that can have some fringe uses to reduce the risk of high damage AoE effects to your group. This does, however, have a random component which hurts its consistency, so should not be relied upon.
  • Chaos Brand Icon Chaos Brand increases Magic damage taken by targets you deal damaged to, improving group damage in many compositions.
8.

Gear and Trinket Options for Havoc Demon Hunter in Mythic+

There are no significant alterations to the gear choices you should be making compared to normal single-target and AoE situations, however we heavily recommend simming your own character to make sure. Having Patchwerk, and then Dungeon Slice profiles to see what can be optimized are the ideal profiles to use. Dungeon Slice also allows for you to get a more accurate estimate of talents such as Demonic Appetite Icon Demonic Appetite, simulating enemy deaths for Shattered Souls Icon Shattered Souls pickups.

Trinkets tend to lean toward on use or proc effects that are powerful in all situations rather than specific ones, so your mileage may vary compared to those that are picked in raids. If you want to know more about gear to aim for, you can look at our gear page.

9.

Changelog

  • 30 Jul. 2022: Updated for Season 4 and new Affix details.
  • 31 May 2022: Page reviewed for Patch 9.2.5.
  • 20 Feb. 2022: Page reviewed and approved for Patch 9.2.
  • 05 Nov. 2021: Updated to account for First Blood + Dancing with Fate.
  • 01 Nov. 2021: Updated for Patch 9.1.5.
  • 28 Jun. 2021: Reviewed and approved for Patch 9.1.
  • 09 Mar. 2021: Reviewed for patch 9.0.5 with updates to Talent, Covenant, and Legendary sections.
  • 08 Dec. 2020: Updated for Shadowlands Season 1 release.
  • 12 Oct. 2020: Page updated for the Shadowlands pre-patch.
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